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| Ghostkid |
  Posted 21st Feb 2008 6:22pm |  |
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| Quoting Assman15 | | Lets hope this doesn't go the way of RF2 and UT3. |
Whats wrong with UT3 ?  |
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| goober |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 6:25pm | |
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It's too... console  |
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Posted 21st Feb 2008 6:26pm | |
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Oh great. Hate to be pessimistic but it sounds like a flop already.
Now if the 12 player is console only and PC is 32+... fantastic, looking up.
If the console version is 3rd person and PC version 1st person, fantastic, looking up.
The player limit is always a possibility but the perspective rarely if ever changes between platforms. The two things combined make this sound like its being designed for the lower capabilities of games consoles and we PC gamers are just going to have to lump an inferior game as a result.
Here THQ... have a gun, shoot yourself in the foot. Oh wait... 3rd person... probably cant. |
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| hA Warlord |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 6:56pm | |
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Ah crap i was just about to post that
Oh well you beat me too it 
Nothing special yet but there will probably be something soon. |
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| Morgoth |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 7:07pm |
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1- ...the problem in that, it creates more work for the developers.
Some additional work, yes I agree, but I dont think it's enough to not make it...
2- Not only would they have to add code to support the switch (which is a lot more work than you'd think)
Is the part that I can underestimate the most, but him really curious, we talk about a professional studios, not a single modder. Some game already switch person view, we just need a checkbox option when create server. Is not only to put 2 view to please, the gameplay is different, event if is 5% of the time, players will change sometime to various the mood after hours of gameplay... They cannot be wrong if they put both view, if they choose a bad decision, it will have a huge impact on the sell, not this, it can only be a more secure business plan and even funnier for players.
3- ...they also have to model everything from a 1st person perspective as well.
They dont start from 0, model are already done to make 3rd person model, is not like the old time where model was build in low polygon. Now, studios make detail mesh to render nice bump map to apply in the optimized model. It depend on how you want detail of the Live cam, but if you keep it simple, the jOb is mostly weapons positioning, cam shake and 1 FP muzzle flash.
BTW, they probably choose not do it in First Person to reduce the jOb to do, (I talk strictly to have the First Person view, not the server restriction view feature)... To not have the FPV system, it's maybe also an addition to optimize FPS ratio for the cpu?  It's maybe because I care much of a real FPS Life Cam immersion as a must features for any deep war shooter.
| Quoting REDFROG |
3rd person and the limit of 12 players online make me think the game is focussed being a console game....but also ported over to PC for more $$ (just like RF2) |
| Quoting Garner |
The two things combined make this sound like its being designed for the lower capabilities of games consoles and we PC gamers are just going to have to lump an inferior game as a result. |
I hope is not related to bad optimization, but due to Game Design decision.    We need to be realist, they put extensive Geo Technology, probably a modern physics, Vehicles including the mine war machine that can grab, throw and demolish, multiplayer objectives to Capture/Broke/Repair structure and Upgrades weaponry and vehicles.
They have a gem in hands,... and think it is glass...   Damm business! 
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| goober |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 7:16pm | |
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FP view wouldn't be a whole lot of work if they know how.
Just lock the camera position to the players face. He'll see the same as the third person would, only the camera will be where your head is, hence first person.
You'd also need to have the character adjust to camera rotations and movements. |
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SkipRat  |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 9:10pm | |
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| Quoting Garner |
Here THQ... have a gun, shoot yourself in the foot. Oh wait... 3rd person... probably cant. |
Heh... Might turn out to be a surprise hit and be a totally awesome game... then again maybe not. Still at least its another RF game |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 9:19pm | |
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Meh, from the facts of the moment I agree with Garner on each word.
THQ is known for their flops They somehow sometimes think the wrong way.
If they have read these forums they would know the peoples desire.
And Volition should already know it, but they just follow THQ 
RF should just never play in 3rd person, that's not how it's known and being loved. |
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| Kiliad |
Posted 21st Feb 2008 11:48pm |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | RF should just never play in 3rd person, that's not how it's known and being loved. |
Give the frog a coconut!
Why bother even calling it RF3? If 3rd person games are so popular then fine, make one, but don't try to mooch off the popularity of RF.
I want FPS!!!! I want the thrill of stalking people from that perspective.
Why else do disgruntled postal workers purchase semi-automatic weapons and climb clock towers? Because they like looking down the scope at people just like I do!!!!! How many of them hire someone else to do it so they can watch from a distance? None! They like to do it in person. |
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| D2k |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 1:18am |
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what the hell? You don't get a game over 3 sequels then change its gameplay perspective. Thats like having max payne 1 and 2 and third person, then making max payne 3 in first person. You just don't do something like that. |
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| goober |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 1:27am | |
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*cough*GTA
Top-down GTA, GTA2, GTA3 = First-Person or Third-Person  |
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| D2k |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 2:17am |
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GTA sucks anyways. |
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| pyromx |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 4:01am |
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Wow... a couple of screenies and bits of info and the game's already a flop? Come on... give'em a chance.
At least we have a Red Faction sequel! It's enough for me to be happy. 3rd person, 1rst person I don't care. As long as it is fun and that it has good online play. Oh and of course the possibility to make mods maps and other fun stuff like that |
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| D2k |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 4:16am |
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They don't deserve anymore chances. Also, they definatley don't deserve anymore fans. seeing as they don't give a rats CENSORED about the biggest and probably only red faction based website on the internet. The only thing they care about is money.
They make CENSORED ty sequel, we are tricked into buying it hoping its a worthy predecessor. They make money, then make another crappy game. Meanwhile we sit here at a loss of $50, crushed hopes, one good classic, and a bunch of crappy un-supported sequels. That seems to be the game plan.
If Volition cared about its fans they would at least mention or ask l4y what was good, bad, and what can be better in the sequel. As it stands now, they don't care about our exsistence, and don't mention us at all anywhere. And probably could care less if all of us, their fans of redfaction, just dropped over and all mysterously died or disappeared off the face of the planet.
Well, I say ,,|,, Volition, we don't need you either. You showed us something that was once great, but you used us to boost your revenue, and discarded us. Not even a thank you or acknowledgement of our exsistance in return. You were nothing without us, but now as you rise with riches I hope you know that I will be waiting for an apology or waiting to watch you fall apart.
Who knows, they probably won't even read it. just the same as they don't care about this site. |
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| pyromx |
Posted 22nd Feb 2008 4:29am |
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Well I think it's too quick to judge the game. I don't think it should be called crappy just after initial screen shots and infos. I would have missed RF1 a lot if I based my opinion of the game on the Descent 4 concepts that Volition did just before transitioning to RF.
What we see here is just a quick peek of RF 3 - the game is still in development, and people are already crusading it. I don't say here that you should like the game at all costs, but that judging the game that way just from the info we've got at the moment ain't quite right. |
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