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| Unreal Tournament 2004 : General UT2k4 Discussion : Red Faction Mod (MarsWars) |
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| goober |
  Posted 14th Jul 2006 6:26pm |  |
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We need more than 3/4 vehicles  |
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Assaultman67  |
Posted 14th Jul 2006 6:46pm | |
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probably ... but it feels wrong to add them alot different than they are in the game ...
i thought we would just make the driller have an huge armor # ... |
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| Leninator |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 1:27am |
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you have more than 3/4 vehicles... everyone gets one and theres no point walking... rf was good because of the high speed "non-vehicle" combat.
A few vehicles will add flavour... too many will ruin the effect you are trying to achieve. Strike a balance. |
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| goober |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 1:32am | |
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I stil think it would of been cool to have aesir battles in TAOW (REDFROG, TAOW still needs aesirs  ) or some jeeps in blasted canyon... granted it would need to be bigger...
the dream of having a big canyon in RF in which you could drive jeeps or APCs or fly Aesirs to the other CTF base with online players is the dream of everyone whos ever played RF multiplayer. |
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| sobe |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 2:03am |
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I'll have to agree with Lenin on this one. |
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| E_Darkness |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 2:17am |
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There should be the default maps as close to th real thing as possible if a vehicle fits in the map then find but soon as you change the map to fit the vehicle its not the map any more.
I would rather see all the default maps first and then maybe some custom versions maybe like Rail maps in standard rf. |
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| goober |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 2:21am | |
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thats what were doing.
Im also remaking some of the best RF custom maps |
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| DVL_IAC |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 2:30am | |
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Hmm I think all the levels need more weapons. When I'm playing with 16 bots I find I'm always using the pistol because all the other weapons get taken.. 
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Im also remaking some of the best RF custom maps |
I'd like to see you re make This map  |
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NoClanFrank  |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 4:37am | |
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Somebody already did, but it looks a bit different than your version:
I agree with you as well, the levels need more weapons..Actually what they really need is more ammo spread out or near the weapons. Since most server are ran with weapons stay, once you run out of ammo, that's it...It's pistol time. 
Did I mention that they also need link guns too, with ammo. |
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| Assaultman67 |
Posted 15th Jul 2006 9:54pm | |
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| Quoting NoClanFrank | | ... Did I mention that they also need link guns too, with ammo. |
yes i think you did ... you even gave the reason that it helps the enviroment to recycle ... either that or im a psychic ...
i admit ... it would be handy ... but i think it should be a toolkit and not a weapon ... so you can use it on vehicles but not on people ... not because i hate it but because its kind of a stretch off of RF as is ... parker doesn't recycle . |
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| goober |
Posted 17th Jul 2006 4:37pm | |
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Im thinking REDFROG will come here tonight, he usually comes one night every 2-5 days or so
If he does come tonight, im going to make a summary of all the things we want him to look over and PM them to him |
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| DVL_IAC |
Posted 17th Jul 2006 7:21pm | |
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Something like this?
All bugs and suggestions sofar:
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Here's a few bugs/problems/still need to add, but you probably know about em all already:
-Can see seams in the canyon sky
-The loading screen is still uto4. Someone should make a nice MW load screen.
-If you start UT04 and are on the main menu and you go to join game and find the server you want to join then click to join it and it brings you back to the menu background and says connecting you can now fly around the menu background while it says connecting which IMO makes the mod look cheap because you can see that its just a chunk of a level and you can see where it cuts off and stuff and see that that logo thing is just pretty much like rotating floating brushes. This might be fine though if it was a full level you could fly around in... but I think it would be better if you couldn't fly around at all...
-DM20, CTF02, VCTF Canyon, and VCTF TAOW still need pics...
Either then these things the mod seams perfect 
LOL I did notice though, not 1 of the skies I made for the mod ended up in the mod... Oh well I guess... |
| Quoting NoClanFrank | 1. The main bug that hasn't been fixed yet is the dedicated server bug.
I still wasn't able to run a dedicated server, which is bad.
2. The self installing Umod file on the other hand is cool, only if it came with a default short cut already included. 
3. I VCTF when a player gets inside a vehicle, it seems like he automatically changes into the Parker skin. Meaning, if he was in the blue team, all of a sudden he looks like he should be in the Red team since he is now wearing the colors.
4. D2K claims that the bots seem to be very accurate with the shot gun. Personally I think they cheat.
5. Reloading weapons sometimes seem to take too long to do it when you run out and it needs to reload. When you are not out of them and hit reload, it seems to work fine.
6. When you get fragged, this character stays behind for a while:
That's it for now. I need to watch TV to rest my eyes. |
| Quoting NoClanFrank | I just remember something. When you first play the mod, make sure that you chose a player or else you might have a problem with your team players seeing you in a different color skin.
I/we had that problem with DVL_IAC. In the office space level, he kept trying to frag me and I was on his team. |
| Quoting goober | REDFROG, sice its so obvois that we need more vehicles for the mod, i say we make the driller... primary fire spinns the things, and secondary fire shoots a missile out from the middle of them? Like the APC, There should be 4 places, 2 passengers, driver, and im thinking maby a plasma turret gunner?
I also say that we make the sub into a figher by turning its thrusters into guns and putting 2 propellers on top like the old aesir...
Of course after that, well still need more vehicles, perhaps then we can go to RF2s vehicles? |
| Quoting NoClanFrank | | I might also add that the levels with vehicles need link gun on them. What is the point of having vehicles that you can't repair. Come on, let think of this in a global point of view. Recycling can save natural resource's. |
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Anyway heres a few more bugs:
- You can't get through the geo holes in the walls of the lobby anymore...
- Sometimes the "you've won the match appears to someone who didn't win"... Unless this is just to make the loosers feel better for not winning.
- Sometimes I've seen a bot with parkers body but Masako's sounds and name...
- Sometimes with bots too in TDM they'll have a red parker body but be on the blue team.. |
| Quoting goober | There is still some things that need working out..
The Menu, you said there was a new interface? I dont see one...
The Loading screens, i can do those. |
| Quoting Assaultman67 | i think that if we make the driller we leave it as is
the sub can stay out ..
and we don't need a link gun ... the maps aren't that big that you need to repair vehicles ... and you can always steal the enemys  .
if we did make a link gun it should look like a toolkit or something like that  ... that would be funny/cool to see |
| Quoting goober | I stil think it would of been cool to have aesir battles in TAOW (REDFROG, TAOW still needs aesirs ) or some jeeps in blasted canyon... granted it would need to be bigger...
the dream of having a big canyon in RF in which you could drive jeeps or APCs or fly Aesirs to the other CTF base with online players is the dream of everyone whos ever played RF multiplayer. |
| Quoting me | Hmm I think all the levels need more weapons. When I'm playing with 16 bots I find I'm always using the pistol because all the other weapons get taken..
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| goober |
Posted 17th Jul 2006 7:25pm | |
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yes, exactlaly like that, i already sent it
IAC, I edited the log out of your post, it screwed up the layout of the forum the first time, dont quote it |
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| DVL_IAC |
Posted 17th Jul 2006 7:29pm | |
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Rais your screen res then. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 17th Jul 2006 10:51pm | |
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I'm back  Read all the new posts.
Thanks for all the bug-finding, guys!
NoClanFrank, I don't understand why dedicated servers are still not working for you 
But when I looked at your log file, I found something strange with it
"Init: Command line: MWVCTF-Canyon?BonusVehicles=false?Game=RFSystem.RFVehicleCTFGame?Mutator=MapMixer.MapMixer?RedTeam=XGame.TeamRedConfigured?BlueTeam=XGame.TeamBlueConfigured -server -log=server.log"
If you havent removed the MW folder before you installed the newer version, delete MarsWars.ini and MarsWarsDef.ini from your MarsWars/System folder and it may fix up some things such as Menu controllers and server packages (see why on next page)
First, I don't know the mutator mapmixer. And what is that RedTeam- and blueteam=xGame... for? This shouldnt be there.
The -mod= parameter is missing. The game can't find the map or any packages without it.
(Warning: Failed to load 'MWVCTF-Canyon': Can't find file 'MWVCTF-Canyon'
Warning: Failed to load 'Level None.MyLevel': Can't find file 'MWVCTF-Canyon')
(thats what I had to fix in the ingame menu)
Have you tryed it with the batch file, located in the MarsWars folder?
The mapmixer seems to be uncompatible with mods, same with the team stuff.
| Quote | | If you start UT04 and are on the main menu and you go to join game and find the server you want to join then click to join it and it brings you back to the menu background and says connecting you can now fly around the menu background while it says connecting which IMO makes the mod look cheap.. |
That's right. The camera spawns at the player start. I should be able to fix it. (by making a cutscene of it, like the credits level (which also needs to be done))
| Quote | | -DM20, CTF02, VCTF Canyon, and VCTF TAOW still need pics... |
Done. I waited until I was 100percent sure they are finished.
| Quote | | 3. I VCTF when a player gets inside a vehicle, it seems like he automatically changes into the Parker skin. Meaning, if he was in the blue team, all of a sudden he looks like he should be in the Red team since he is now wearing the colors. |
I have seen this a couple of times, too. I have changed Parkers skin back to a non-shiny skin. (performance reason..but its not been tested) I think I forgot to rename a texture or something.
| Quote | | - Sometimes the "you've won the match appears to someone who didn't win"... Unless this is just to make the loosers feel better for not winning. |
Hm, never noticed that bug. Assaultman67 made the voice packs, maybe he knows why. I'll take a look at it.
| Quote | | - Sometimes I've seen a bot with parkers body but Masako's sounds and name... |
now thats strange I'm not happy that default voices of UT04 are available to the players. I hope I can find a way to remove them from the options. But I have no idea why Parker would use masakos sounds and NAME. Probably a SPECIES error. Characters now have their own specii (whats the plural of "species" in english?)
with own hurt sounds and preset voices.
| Quote | Hmm I think all the levels need more weapons. When I'm playing with 16 bots I find I'm always using the pistol because all the other weapons get taken..
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But most of them are original Red Faction levels with nearly the same item layout
In the later versions "weapons stay" was "on" by default. Now its off. (I prefer it to have it off because its avoids a dumb gameplay)
But if there are many players, of course weapons stay should be ON.
VCTF maps use weapon lockers (they should look different..) which is even better.
The bug with the smashable actors has been fixed  I've done changes on some scripts a few minutes before I packed everything. I forgot about the collision function for the walls.
In previous versions bots always ran to the walls because they didnt know if the wall was destroyed or not. But in this version there is a new pathnode, specially made to tell bots the wall is broken or not.
(of course you cant see if its working or not because the smashable actor has a collision bug)
NoClanFrank, on you screenshot, you said the character stays behind for a while. Do you mean, no rag-doll physics is applied to the character?
There are no (oldschool) death animations for the characters,yet. If the game can't find a ragdoll model for the chracter, the character will play a death animation. If there is none, the character will "freeze" with its last animation. And I think it happened on the screenshot. Was it a dedicated game? (a copy of the log file would help a lot)
Did it happen because one of you set the Physics Detail to low? (I never tested it.) Or it may only happen on slow machines.
I'll have to add death animations to avoid this, I think.
I may upload a bunch of fixed files the next time instead of the whole thing. (music files and some other big things haven't changed)
It seems like there are still many things to fix. Well most of them are very quick to do. But we still need the portraits, a start logo. And perhaps a logo for the installer.
I could upload a "patch" in a hour or so, but I'm not sure if its important.
I've done many small fixes on the mod again. With a new "blood system" and other things I can't remember now.
The mod now is much better with hurt sounds of Red Faction (from Assaultman67's voice packs) They have no death sounds, though. (I don't notice it while playing. At first it was hard to play the mod without the "YOU'VE KILLED XXX" ..but I dont miss it anymore.
You've seen the death messages in the console. Do you think that I should simplify them? They are currently like that:
"Papa was killed by Mama with a Shotgun"
I could change it to the classic
"Papa was killed by Mama"
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"Mama killed Papa"
..just to clean out the screen of all this stuff. (I think the last one looks pretty good. Is that the one of Red Faction?)
I planned to have it the "Counter Strike-death message stlye" but its too tricky
Thanks for the PM goober.
I'm not sure if its a good idea to have the Aesir in TAOW, because there is not much space to fly. I'll have to set the invisible ceiling very low because you'd be able to see the whole map at high positions..and there are no roofs. But I'll try it. (altough creating Flying pathnodes would take me forver) UnrealEd needs a link tool or shortcut to link objects. As in other editors.. |
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