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| RED-FROG |
  Posted 28th Jan 2008 5:42pm |  |
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Sure, the shape of the geomod brush (yes I used brush, not mesh) in RF may be taken from a mesh. But the data of it has been converted to bsp data. And the output of this substacting bsp builder brush is not a mesh, it will be a fused part of the original bsp, only realtime rebuilt. (imagine you could see the builder brush in RF, you would see it appear when you geomod.)
You cannot create substractive meshes, meshes need empty room to be seen, they do not create the room, and they also doesn't interact with bsp.
"Proof me wrong" (well the above can't be proven wrong, but I want to see if RF really always uses a mesh and converts it into bsp to make the holes, I have never seen such a mesh yet, though) by finding the "geomod mesh". (it would be awesome if there was something like that because you'd be able to create new shapes of geomod holes just by replacing it!  )
Probably if we had a deeper look into RFs system we could simly make the geomod work additive and not substractive. The summon normal facing would have to be mirrored and well, the type of it.. but if it was that easy I wonder why Volition never made it going happen. (in a completely new game which bases on this technique for example) |
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Posted 28th Jan 2008 5:47pm |
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How Red Faction's Geomods Work |
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| goober |
Posted 28th Jan 2008 6:28pm | |
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RED-FROG, I do not know about replacing the geomod meshes (I think they are hardcoded into the game) or how useful it would be (if at all) but I do know that TrotSkie was able to limit all geomods to one specific mesh and not a random one each time someone geos. It acually created really cool, smooth, useful tunnels, as opposed to RFs default GeoMod which randomizes meshes (between 5 different ones if I recall correctly) to make a very un-even tunnel.
Oh, and when RF renders a map, it renders it as one huge mesh, not single brushes as in RED. |
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| TrotSkie |
Posted 28th Jan 2008 9:12pm |
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For some reason they made geomod be carved out bruses (like carve in RED). I'm not entirely sure why they did this because it creates far more polygons than there otherwise would be & it causes more errors. |
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Posted 28th Jan 2008 9:43pm | |
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Even if the meshes were hard coded, would it not be possible to simply add a mesh of the same name to a VPP and overwrite it? It seems to consistently work with other files, but the problem would be finding the name of the mesh (assuming it's not directly generated from the code). |
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| Mostertman |
Posted 28th Jan 2008 10:17pm |
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| Quoting goober | | I think they are hardcoded into the game |
You seem to think that with alot of things you can't explain 
Thus far Trotskie seems to have found some interesting things that weren't thought of being possible before, because they were thought to be hardcoded. |
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| goober |
Posted 28th Jan 2008 10:27pm | |
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I'm aware of this - I've seen alot of it in action. When I say hardcoded, I do not mean hardcoded in the "L4Y Historical" sense... I mean, as assman said... Generated by the game itself.
I'm not sure that the meshes are "hardcoded" again, that just seems to make sense to me, hence the "I think" |
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KILLER  |
Posted 28th Jan 2008 10:30pm |
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A mesh in the shape of a star would be cool and different  |
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| Morgoth |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 2:10am |
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Thanks for the link, you can be sure that I will send a email to the guy that wrote GeoMod, homage to John Slagel 
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| goober |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 3:23pm | |
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Reverse Geomod... well...
I recieved the following message from TrotSkie last night:
TrotSkie: Come join my server.
So I did, and well...
You shoot the floor and a solid piece of geometry appears. I'm pretty sure this can be classified as "Reverse Geomod"
TrotSkie told me he'll be looking into that area some more to see what can come out of it.
He was also editing geomod properties on the fly... changing geo regions to non-geo regions, changing geo regions to ice and non geo regions to normal, changing non geo regions to "Geo-Add" regions and geo regions to ice... Pretty much everything you can imagine. Pretty interesting stuff indeed |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 3:53pm | |
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just don't call it reverse geomod, lol |
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| Mostertman |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 4:37pm |
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maybe you should call Geo-adding |
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| Ghostkid |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 5:10pm | |
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Or Oeg-Dom |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 6:38pm |
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Why not just call it Rock Generator or Lump Generator... LOL! Catchy name! |
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| goober |
Posted 29th Jan 2008 6:44pm | |
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| Quoting Mostertman | | maybe you should call Geo-adding |
nick came up with the name last night soon as he saw it. It's called "Geoadd" |
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