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| Max Payne 2 : Max Payne 2 Modding : Vengance mod for mp2 |
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| Curwen |
  Posted 20th Feb 2006 7:04pm |
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| Quoting daudnatania | | The word stealing is not available in MOD world. I think you have gone all way wrong. Free is different from copyrighted. Free is free. So it is FREE for sharing. |
I really don't want to go on with the fight, especially because I said I wouldn't, but as for your information I am 90% sure the modified content is copyrighted automatically in almost all the countries around the world, such as an original creation is, and in any case most of the serious modders also write a legal disclaimer in the mod's package (as we did).
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html
->According to this definition, a mod is a "derivative work".
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#change
->We have owner's consent, considering the legal disclaimer of Remedy Entertainment for Max Payne 2 allowing any modder to modify the content of the original game.
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#howmuch
->You do not have our consent until we give you a written permission so even modifying our work doesn't make yours copyrighted or legal.
Now don't you think we're dumb as spending money to sue you or even thinking about doing it, it was just to inform you about the fact that "free distribution" isn't exactly synonym of "free for the taking".
PS : Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's always good to know how the law really works. |
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Modified Feb 20th, 07:19pm by Curwen |
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| Lockwood |
Posted 20th Feb 2006 8:01pm |
Welcome!
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I've tried to download this mod from www.megaupload.com/?d=DZISOVTS but it shows only "download with premium". Is there new link to file? |
-If you defeat me i'll become more powerfull than you can ever imagine...
-I don't know... i can imagine quite a bit... |
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| daudnatania |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 11:05am |
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| Quoting Curwen | | Quoting daudnatania | | The word stealing is not available in MOD world. I think you have gone all way wrong. Free is different from copyrighted. Free is free. So it is FREE for sharing. |
PS : Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's always good to know how the law really works. |
Why do you even busy yourself with finding this? don't have anything good to do? ...haha... Rico has no intention to make a lot of noise about this. Anyway, you said that you wouldn't write anything until the HoM launched. Can not accept the MOD? Fine....Don't download it. Problem solved, rite? People like it whatever you describe the MOD. And if you look at the number of download in rapidshare, it is increasing until now. And if you feel and feel burden about copyright, let me give you a hint : "Don't make any MOD at ALL" . If you still bother to make a lot of noise about copyright and stuff, then you have made a very thick border between you and the community. Like I said, MOD is for fun. But you behave like you are an organization or a sort of company who will experience financial problem when the code is spread out.
Anyway, this copyrighted thing is only work when YUKL is the one who can argue about this with me. Wait the minute....I forgot. You and HoM team had banned him and the other guy. So.... you have no right then ... 
If you really want to apply this copyright system, you have to carefully look again the law. First, you never launch it as a quote or a sample. Second, look at this sentence "Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work" . Now here's the problem. I never claim that this is my work. Found it, edit it, and then share with others. Anyway, stop acting like a company, will you?
Thank you for finding this copyright thing for me. I actually look for it when a friend of mine is asking about where to find copyright. You know what..... I love when we are argueing. Everytime you argue with me about copyright thing, you actually help me a lot with other thing. hehehe.... you see..... Sometimes you just don't get it, do you? You actually help me in many ways since you and your team are keep standing on idealism like that.
Look....If you still even bother want to make an argue about this, then you will be argue about many things. So many modders are making based on the other's mods. Why don't we just calm down and play things together? I don't use any of your work for my portfolio in any game industry. And most of all, Rico had said that this mod is for himself. Now, if you really want to protect your goods, then do not make an over exposure to your MOD. And most of all, you guys are taking too much time in here. If you really meet great guys, I think MOD is not something worthful to be argued. Like I said earlier. I prefer to share my work without thinking any copyright matter. You have too much think in your copyright matter and don't think about anything else worthful. There are so many things which are more valuable than that. Your skills for your work, maybe?
You build MOD, the only thing that will be happen is that other people is going to play it. Or maybe given award for something. Just like that. Your earning skills are the most important thing, right? And honestly, working in a game company is the thing what I don't get a chance. It used to be my dream when I was a kid and teenager. If you got a job a game company, then I congratulate you. Hopefully all your work will be tremendous. Just remember something. Get to know great people or having a job is only the first step of everything. In the end, you and only you who will determine the end of your life and work.
Note : Lockwood, I will give the community a new version. Please hold on |
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Modified Feb 21st, 11:54am by daudnatania |
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| daudnatania |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 2:03pm |
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Hi guys.... new version of vengance MOD
http://rapidshare.de/files/13783714/vengeance.rar.html
Try dodgeforward to see awesome moves
I think i have solved the problem about standing position |
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| Curwen |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 4:53pm |
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| Quoting daudnatania | | Quoting Curwen | | Quoting daudnatania | | The word stealing is not available in MOD world. I think you have gone all way wrong. Free is different from copyrighted. Free is free. So it is FREE for sharing. |
PS : Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's always good to know how the law really works. |
Why do you even busy yourself with finding this? don't have anything good to do? ...haha... Rico has no intention to make a lot of noise about this. Anyway, you said that you wouldn't write anything until the HoM launched. Can not accept the MOD? Fine....Don't download it. Problem solved, rite? People like it whatever you describe the MOD. And if you look at the number of download in rapidshare, it is increasing until now. And if you feel and feel burden about copyright, let me give you a hint : "Don't make any MOD at ALL" . If you still bother to make a lot of noise about copyright and stuff, then you have made a very thick border between you and the community. Like I said, MOD is for fun. But you behave like you are an organization or a sort of company who will experience financial problem when the code is spread out.
Anyway, this copyrighted thing is only work when YUKL is the one who can argue about this with me. Wait the minute....I forgot. You and HoM team had banned him and the other guy. So.... you have no right then ...
If you really want to apply this copyright system, you have to carefully look again the law. First, you never launch it as a quote or a sample. Second, look at this sentence "Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work" . Now here's the problem. I never claim that this is my work. Found it, edit it, and then share with others. Anyway, stop acting like a company, will you?
Thank you for finding this copyright thing for me. I actually look for it when a friend of mine is asking about where to find copyright. You know what..... I love when we are argueing. Everytime you argue with me about copyright thing, you actually help me a lot with other thing. hehehe.... you see..... Sometimes you just don't get it, do you? You actually help me in many ways since you and your team are keep standing on idealism like that.
Look....If you still even bother want to make an argue about this, then you will be argue about many things. So many modders are making based on the other's mods. Why don't we just calm down and play things together? I don't use any of your work for my portfolio in any game industry. And most of all, Rico had said that this mod is for himself. Now, if you really want to protect your goods, then do not make an over exposure to your MOD. And most of all, you guys are taking too much time in here. If you really meet great guys, I think MOD is not something worthful to be argued. Like I said earlier. I prefer to share my work without thinking any copyright matter. You have too much think in your copyright matter and don't think about anything else worthful. There are so many things which are more valuable than that. Your skills for your work, maybe?
You build MOD, the only thing that will be happen is that other people is going to play it. Or maybe given award for something. Just like that. Your earning skills are the most important thing, right? And honestly, working in a game company is the thing what I don't get a chance. It used to be my dream when I was a kid and teenager. If you got a job a game company, then I congratulate you. Hopefully all your work will be tremendous. Just remember something. Get to know great people or having a job is only the first step of everything. In the end, you and only you who will determine the end of your life and work.
Note : Lockwood, I will give the community a new version. Please hold on |
If you really read my post you would have seen that I wasn't trying to go on with the fight. Most of your points are wrong to me, still this isn't why I'm going to point them all out. You said some things about copyrights & free work, they seemed wrong to me, I looked out (oh, 2 seconds with google, I really helped you alot) and it seemed to me even more that they were wrong. I wasn't trying to go on with arguing or I would have quoted any of your sentences and explained my point etc... the usual stuff leading to nowhere because everybody in here thinks he's right and the others wrong.
I didn't, I just gave you the links just to let you know that there are actually laws to protect the authors of any original content (That's what I understood).
It seems you neither read the links before getting upset, as YUKL wasn't the author of the code he can't claim its own so if you use "his" code you use ours.
Now sorry for spoiling your thread, I'll stop right now, as the only thing you can possibly do is argue when we try to speak and spam the other threads to "share" your "own" mod. Don't feel forced to post back and try to break my positions again, this isn't leading anybody nowhere, I suggest we try to forget this story, that's all. Sorry this all had to happen this way, ciao. |
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| Calibur |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 4:56pm |
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Blessed are the peace makers. (NOT the missiles  ) |
"I'm the guy who's gonna break your knees if you don't tell me what I need to know."
Best. Threat. Ever. |
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| daudnatania |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 5:05pm |
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| Quoting Calibur | | Blessed are the peace makers. (NOT the missiles ) |
Well....the long fight has gone. The new era has rised.... hehehe.... Anyway, Calibur, have you downlod the HoM? I have taken two animations from the HoM. The code in the vengeance MOD has eased me to modify the animation. Although it needs some calibrations, but the configuration has worked well. I think I'm going to upload again.
Anyway, Curwen, if there is something that I misunderstand from you, my apology to you. After all, the HoM has launched. Can we all be friends in a community again? |
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Modified Feb 21st, 05:07pm by daudnatania |
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| hakkersszz |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 7:05pm |
Welcome!
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Daudy, can you also put the Lobby in it? Like the screenie..
Would be so cool  |
TheProtocol in Progress!
TheMatrixOffline in Progress! |
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| Curwen |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 7:13pm |
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| Quoting daudnatania | | Anyway, Curwen, if there is something that I misunderstand from you, my apology to you. After all, the HoM has launched. Can we all be friends in a community again? |
Well why not? All I'd like to ask you if you use anything from a mod is to give credit in a readme/disclaimer thingie. I wouldn't like the MP2 community to become a big mess with everything coming from everywhere and not knowing who's the author of what anymore. That's all I was trying to say from the beginning, even though I was a bit out of my mind sometimes 
Things are ok now, releasing HoM was a big weigth out our shoulders, trust me on that  |
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Modified Feb 21st, 07:18pm by Curwen |
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| daudnatania |
Posted 21st Feb 2006 9:10pm |
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Guys...I've added two animations from the HoM Mod. You can look at http://rapidshare.de/files/13804614/vengeance.rar.html
The movements are on dodgeforwardleft and dodgebackward. Hehehe.... Thanks to those HoM teams for those two animations. I haven't combined map yet. Free 2 Kill looks good for map referrence... |
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| JimmyCognitti |
Posted 23rd Feb 2006 5:41am |  |
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Daudy, the latest version of Vengeance is totally messed up, it gives animation errors and it also exits to desktop quite often 
Anyway, I'll stick with the second version you released (yeah, I know HoM is out, but Vengeance mod has some potential to take advantage of).
I just added more maps to see how they work with Vengeance
Maps are: "Subway_A", "The Lobby" and "MuderBurger 2nd Edition" :
I was thinking of releasing this mod but now with HoM out and being that good I think nobody will get interested in this one.... 
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| Hey, catch me later, I'll buy you a beer. |
Modified Feb 23rd, 05:43am by JimmyCognitti |
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| Aksel3 |
Posted 23rd Feb 2006 1:33pm |
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nobody will get interested in this one? You sure about that pal?
Just because HoM is out, it dosn't mean it's taking over the whole MP2 community
We still need new mods. We always do |
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| daudnatania |
Posted 23rd Feb 2006 4:51pm |
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| Quoting JimmyCognitti | Daudy, the latest version of Vengeance is totally messed up, it gives animation errors and it also exits to desktop quite often
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Hei man....hehehe....don't get down first. I'm sure they all wait for your mod too. I had not changed and playing with the menu yet. I was hoping someone could help me to attach vengeance mod with some other map levels. Anyway, the animation error is caused when you are using shotgun, rite? Yap....that's the flaw of the latest vengeance. Still working on that bug.... I think I'm going to post Calibur for error debug. |
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Modified Feb 23rd, 10:21pm by daudnatania |
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| MAXPAYNE4664 |
Posted 23rd Feb 2006 11:46pm | |
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I wanna play the lobby level with gun-kata moves |
| 60% of the time, it works every time - Brian Fantana |
Modified Feb 23rd, 11:48pm by MAXPAYNE4664 |
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| LazyAmerican |
Posted 25th Feb 2006 6:18am |
Welcome!
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Whoa nice mod....by the looks of the mod you are trying to combine HOM with Cinema 2....this combination=awesomeness. Now all you need to do is throw in some extra maps and it's golden. Just wished you had another place to download it so I wouldn't have to wait like a whole hour after downloading once from there... |
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Modified Feb 25th, 06:29am by LazyAmerican |
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