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| Molodiets |
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| Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting molodiets | | Quoting mad_ferrit | Also there are some people that seem to be able to move a lot quicker than others (Frank  ) There's no-one in the game that can move like Frank and also require at leats 2 rail bolts before dying.
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Believe me. Red Justice can.  
What was the score of our latest match on my own server RJ: 8/30? |
I'm afriad that I don't understand this. Am I being accused of cheating?
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lol, if you do cheat, please tell what mod you use. I don't know this one.
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| NotRED-FROG |
Posted 15th Jan 2005 10:18pm |
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Red Factions endless story 
You are playing that game for so long, but still don't understand it.
Often it's a lag or glitch that make you wonder.
Perhaps, someone called you a cheater, because something strange just happened.
But you know that you aren't cheating in any way...guess what that could have been...glitch or lag? |
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| DVL_IAC |
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whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr.  this has got me accused of modding before though |
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| RF Grim Reaper |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 12:42am | |
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How do you move then? |
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no wonder he wall humps |
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| DVL-Blaze |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 12:59am |
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he can move fine. he has a usb mouse that he click and there's a sepereat button on the touvh pad to left click something.moving is no problem. but if u have to resort to that the that's sad |
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| RED_JUSTICE |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 1:06am |
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| Quoting DVL_IAC | | whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr. this has got me accused of modding before though |
Ummmmm, this is modding. No different from using a bit of software to double your fire rate.
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| Allan |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 1:47am |
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| Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting DVL_IAC | | whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr. this has got me accused of modding before though |
Ummmmm, this is modding. No different from using a bit of software to double your fire rate.
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It's not modding. It is cheating. Think about it...
P.S. it's easy to locate an RF player when playing other games, they're the only people who call hackers, modders. |
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| Pickles |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 4:12am |
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Yea Allan, I know... its quite annoying when you have been a modder years ago and people get their heckles up because they think a modder is a hacker or cheater, when there is quite a difference.
As for the ping issue, really my favorite gun is the rail and my ping is 450+ most of the time, its just a matter of anticipating movement and responding. When I play UT2k4 I have to shoot a whole 10-20 feet ahead of the person, LOL!
Oh, and I beat Kiliad one time in a rail match, of course General_187 beat both of us, but I ended up somewhere in the middle... but I think Kiliad was having lag issues because I got a lot of free shots on him. |
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| Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting DVL_IAC | | whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr. this has got me accused of modding before though |
Ummmmm, this is modding. No different from using a bit of software to double your fire rate.
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so when people click one mouse buttin with 2 fingers one after the other.. i think its called drumming... is that modding too? u get the same fire rate that u'd get usin 2 mice.. i cant do that though my usb mouse is 2 small for 2 fingers and doesnt click fast enough to do it so i use the 2 mice to get the same fire rate as drumming because i know shadow does the drumming thing so is he modding too? |
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| RED_JUSTICE |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 5:14am |
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| Quoting DVL_IAC | | Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting DVL_IAC | | whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr. this has got me accused of modding before though |
Ummmmm, this is modding. No different from using a bit of software to double your fire rate.
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so when people click one mouse buttin with 2 fingers one after the other.. i think its called drumming... is that modding too? u get the same fire rate that u'd get usin 2 mice.. i cant do that though my usb mouse is 2 small for 2 fingers and doesnt click fast enough to do it so i use the 2 mice to get the same fire rate as drumming because i know shadow does the drumming thing so is he modding too? |
Drumming isn't cheating because you aren't doing anything to alter the rate of signals into the game....you're just hitting the mouse button very fast by having an acrobatic hand. Rigging 2 mice so that you have 2 triggers is cheating because you are giving yourself an advantage that other players do not have.
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| DVL_IAC |
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| Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting DVL_IAC | | Quoting RED_JUSTICE | | Quoting DVL_IAC | | whats fun to do is hook up 2 mice then you can fire twice as fast. my laptop has a built in mouse and i have a usb mouse plugged in so when i go to shoot i click both mice and i can fire really fast on semi auto weps like the pistol and pr. this has got me accused of modding before though |
Ummmmm, this is modding. No different from using a bit of software to double your fire rate.
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so when people click one mouse buttin with 2 fingers one after the other.. i think its called drumming... is that modding too? u get the same fire rate that u'd get usin 2 mice.. i cant do that though my usb mouse is 2 small for 2 fingers and doesnt click fast enough to do it so i use the 2 mice to get the same fire rate as drumming because i know shadow does the drumming thing so is he modding too? |
Drumming isn't cheating because you aren't doing anything to alter the rate of signals into the game....you're just hitting the mouse button very fast by having an acrobatic hand. Rigging 2 mice so that you have 2 triggers is cheating because you are giving yourself an advantage that other players do not have.
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other could have the advantage if they wanted too me usin 2 mice fires at the same speed as shadow does drumming. but theres a dis advantage to when im usin 3 mice.. i cant move cuz my hands r on the mice away from "W" bah i come in dead last anyway so it doesnt make a diff wen i use 2 mice.
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| T-M-I-N-E |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 5:54am |
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| Quoting RJ | | Rigging 2 mice so that you have 2 triggers is cheating because you are giving yourself an advantage that other players do not have. |
Sorry RJ. You know we have different opinions on the whole one button, two button thing but I really have to call you on this.
The whole "advantage that other players do not have" argument is complete crap. We both know it. Everyone knows it.
I have a crappy PC and a 56k connection playing on servers that are thousands of miles away from me. You're a better player than me as far as the final score goes but you have a decent PC and a fast connection, plus you are actually on the same continent as the servers we both play on. Now using your argument you are a cheat RJ. You have always used means that aren't available to me, against me.
To be honest If I had the PC set up you have, the connection you have and the location to the servers you have then I'm pretty sure I'd kick your as every time. When I can actually be bothered to try you are the better player but not by much and I do have some massive handicaps whilst playing you or anybody.
I never complain about it though. I deal with it. You have some technological advantages over me so I deal with them. Some people have advantages in skill or technique over me and I don't complain about that either.
I'll never condemn somebody for doing something I don't have the skill to do and as far as I'm concerned as long as there is a physical input for every shot fired then that isn't cheating. It doesn't matter that I can't do it, in fact it gains more legitimacy from the fact that I can't do it. It requires a skill I don't have and one I'm too lazy to develope.
If you're going to argue the "one shot for every physical input" theory then at least come up with something less trite and meaningless. 
You argue for a living RJ. If it's worth arguing over then at least make some effort.
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| RED_JUSTICE |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 6:46am |
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| Quoting T-M-I-N-E | | Quoting RJ | | Rigging 2 mice so that you have 2 triggers is cheating because you are giving yourself an advantage that other players do not have. |
I have a crappy PC and a 56k connection playing on servers that are thousands of miles away from me. You're a better player than me as far as the final score goes but you have a decent PC and a fast connection, plus you are actually on the same continent as the servers we both play on. Now using your argument you are a cheat RJ. You have always used means that aren't available to me, against me.
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This is the central fallacy of your argument TMINE and I'm surprised you don't see it.
The game comes out of the box with certain parameters. There is supposed to be one channel for signaling fire input. PERIOD. This is how the game is designed.
It's a quirk of fate that most of the surviving RF servers happen to be in the USA thus giving a ping advantage to those of us who live here. It's a quirk of fate that I live in an industrialized area of a very industrialized country, thus have access to broadband. It's a quirk of fortune that I may have a better computer than you.
All of these things are advantages in my column and disadvantages in yours. I recognize that.
The distinction here is that these advantages are either out of my control (location of servers) or incidental to the game. I am not doing anything to the game to give myself an advantage over other players. I'm just logging on and playing within the setup that came with the game.
Any advantages I might enjoy are fortuitous....and frankly reversed when I play on servers hosted in Europe or Oz.
People who use software mods or hardware mods are doing something quite different. What they are doing is deliberately seeking out ways to get around the game parameters to give themselves an advantage.
In my trade we call this "aforethought" or "premeditation."
The distinction between someone who enjoys an undeserved advantage (ex. finding 50 quid laying on the ground) and someone going to prison (thinking of a way to steal 50 quid) is aforethought.
I pick up my 50 quid everytime I log onto a game hosted in the States (especially hosted on the west Coast where my ping will be 20-60). I do nothing to deserve this, it's an accident of history. I couldn't reverse it if I tried.
I regularly play on the server run by the Geezers out of Oz where my ping never gets below 800 and sometimes spikes to 1800. I have to guess where players are going to be and then shoot there. In this case, my location is actually a disadvatage. I play there because I like the Geezers. They're fun guys. It's a quirk of history that I happen to live on the other side of the world from the server.
So, whether I'm enjoying an unfair advantage (playing a game hosted 500 miles from me) or experiencing an unfair disadvantage (playing a game hosted 5000 miles from me), I'm playing within the rules. I'm playing within the same game parameters as everyone else.
When a player decides to use a software mod or hardware mod to alter their input into the game, they are premeditatedly deciding to circumvent the game parameters to give themselves an advnatage other players do not have.
In the instant case, we're talking about someone who decided to rig it so that he could have 2 triggers to play against people using 1 trigger. There is no conceivable argument that this is not cheating.
What this does to someone like yourself with a crappy setup and 3000 mile ping is to EXACERBATE the disadvantages you already experience. This type of cheating falls disproportionately upon the players (like yourself TMINE) who are already having to overcome disadvantages to play.
Those of us with good ping aren't nearly as victimized by cheaters as people like yourself.
Come on now TMINE, do you really think it is fair that you dial-in on some copper wire laid in your village 50 years ago, log onto a server on the other side of the world, and then you have to face some git whose given himself 2 triggers despite the fact that he's sitting on a sweet broadband connection in Arizona or Quebec?
What their actions say to you and people situated like you is that they're not even content with the advantages they already unfairly enjoy because of their geography. They're going to screw you over once more, but this time in a calculated premeditated fashion.
That's called cheating my friend. |
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| Kiliad |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 7:08am |
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One day if ever I become a multi-billionaire... instead of a bum... I know, its a tough choice... but anyway... If I had loads of money I'd buy a game company, have a brilliant game made MY way, testing it to the point where it was virtually flawless and had a fully working editor that was easy to use but powerful. I'd make that game in such a way that it came with its own special mouse that was the same for everyone and HAD to be used for the game. Even if you were cunning enough to try to tweek it by opening it open it would do you no good because I'd wire C4 into it lol.
Once and for all I'd just like to put everyone on a playing field that they all agreed was fairly even. Connection speed will be a problem for along time yet but the constant arguements about whether double-clicking or being born with 6 fingers on one hand (sorry Frank it had to come out) is a cheat or not just drains the fun right out of the game. |
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