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| Nitro |
  Posted 11th Feb 2009 12:32am |
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Why didn't someone invite me into this one??? 
My EVGA 280's get SCREAMING HOT!!! Running Crysis on medium and fans at 80% I had shutdowns when the #1 card hits 85C. I had to keep the cars at 100% fan and I've heard V8 engines that are WAY quieter 
Power suckers, OH YA!!! Don't even consider a video card like that unless you have $300 to fork over for a really good 750W or higher PSU
Gigabyte motherboards, I've never had any luck. TERRIBLE customer support and all kinds of weird bios issues. I'm sticking with EVGA these days just because they have some great service, unbelievable warranty, and 90 day step up program.
NOW, lets talk about Crysis......PLEASE don't build a computer just so you can play this absolute turd of a game. Play it on someone else's computer first, trust me, it very well could be the worst game I ever played. I made the big mistake of building the most bleeding edge over the top gaming computer just to play that game and it's just a terrible terrible game. With 2xGTX280s, 4G ram, and Q9550 quad core I had a hard time keeping 30fps.
$1200 is a reasonable budget for a really nice gaming system. If I had $1200 I would go with sobe's suggestion of the new core i7 Intel processor. No sence spending good money on old technology that you won't be able to upgrade after next year  |
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| radviper_rf |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 1:01am |
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I have played Crysis on a nice $2500 rig in a computer repair shop and it rean pretty smooth. of course these guys had all the bells and whistles and the internal water cooling and several fans. Sounds like with that video card ya might just need to stick the damn thing in the freezer with the ice cream. LOL. I just want a good system that I can play all the new games on. Im running a computer thats 5 yrs old and its been ages since I have bought anyting new. Its hard to choose because there are so many options. |
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| Nitro |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 6:10am |
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Oh, Crysis is an amazing game to look at, but play it for a while. The story line is lame, it is EXTREMELY glitchy, and it just shouldn't require 8 video cards to play at 60FPS |
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Posted 11th Feb 2009 7:31am |
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Crysis is graphically a great game, but beyond that, as Nitro said it's rather... bleh
As for the $300 on a PSU, you only need to spend more around $140 for a Corsair 850TX(Already linked to in previous post). Price varies if you want to go PC Power & Cooling, FSP Group, Silverstone, Enermax, etc.
Several things to take into account, but as for just the GTX 280(I personally havent had the pleasure of tinkering with one in person), you can grab a VGA heatsink for it from Thermalright or hook up a nice water cooling kit for it with a Swiftech setup. |
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| radviper_rf |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 10:19am |
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Just stick the whole PC into the fridge. That should cool it down some lol. |
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| radviper_rf |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 7:26pm |
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Stick it in the freezer with a bag over it. I was looking at some pre-built machines like some of he new HP's I was thinking maybe just buy one of those and spend the extra money for a new card to go into it. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 8:12pm |  |
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Crysis is AWESOME. By far best shooter ever made.
And nitro, actually never heard you whining about your own hardware.
Change the VGA fans if your cards suck THAT much..
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| radviper_rf |
Posted 11th Feb 2009 9:15pm |
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just take the side of the case off and stick a high cfm fan next to it. |
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| SWAMadcat |
Posted 12th Feb 2009 3:26am |
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I am currently building an old technology that should keep up pretty good for a while. I just can't bring myself to pay the over inflated price's of the new stuff. I try to build just a step or so under the newest.
Asus Maximus II ( Still a ddr 2 board, ddr 3 prices are still outragous)
EVGA GTX 285 ( I would do the GTX280 but there is just to many statements on the heat issue)
Core 2 duo E8500 ( e8600 is 100.00 more,Quad core to pricey for me for this speed ). Not worth it
Corsair Dominator Pc8500 Just 2 gig for now. No reason for more that i can see.
And the regular other stuff. |
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| radviper_rf |
Posted 12th Feb 2009 10:04am |
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Build or buy I cant make up my mind. I would love to have the experience of building my own system, but then for me it comes down to pure laziness lol. Other than that I can buy a pre-built system and just slap a new graphics card into it. I would love to try though. |
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| sobe |
Posted 12th Feb 2009 12:35pm |
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| Quoting SWAMadcat | I am currently building an old technology that should keep up pretty good for a while. I just can't bring myself to pay the over inflated price's of the new stuff. I try to build just a step or so under the newest.
Asus Maximus II ( Still a ddr 2 board, ddr 3 prices are still outragous)
EVGA GTX 285 ( I would do the GTX280 but there is just to many statements on the heat issue)
Core 2 duo E8500 ( e8600 is 100.00 more,Quad core to pricey for me for this speed ). Not worth it
Corsair Dominator Pc8500 Just 2 gig for now. No reason for more that i can see.
And the regular other stuff. |
For that I'd say save a little more and grab the E8400 even, because they are regularly hitting 4GHz and higher. Mine was a cherry cpu and hit 4GHz on stock volts on air idle @ 38c.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=470261
Ditching the DDR2 800 and jumping onto DDR2 1066, I broke the issue with RAM limiting my FSB overclock.
(CPUZ shows as DDR2 800 though it is DDR2 1066, you can see the clocks)
And I'd just grab 4GB, it can be had for under $50. That motherboard you also mentioned, why? Just grab a Gigabyte P45-UD3P.
The UD3R and UD3P are nearly the best ocing boards for P45 chipset. Those Asus Maximus and Rampage boards are good, but for the price you can get the same amount of overclock out of a UD3R/UD3P for half the cost.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131319
-$250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
-$135
That is $250 vs $135..... |
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| SWAMadcat |
Posted 12th Feb 2009 5:15pm |
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Yes those Wolfdale cores are pretty amazing for clocking them up. Thats my main reason for sticking with the duo core. I figured on the 8500 Vs the 8400 because they are virtually the same price.Both are clockable up to 4 ghz on air i believe. I will do some more reading on it. Are you saying the 8400 can go higher than the 8500?
About the Asus board Vs the gigabyte. I have had several gigabytes in the past and they all had quirky issues with them. Like not shutting down and such. Maybe they are better now,but gigabyte has left a bad taste in my mouth. The Maximus is just my splurging part. I don't really need it and really should buy something a bit more simpler.But i am stuck on this one for some reason . |
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| sobe |
Posted 12th Feb 2009 7:59pm |
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That's all fine, well just so you know since P35 chipset Gigabyte has made a name for itself and is currently one of the best, if not the best around for enthusiasts.
For the E8400 vs E8500, only one difference. On the E8500 the multiplier goes up to 9.5, whereas on the E8400 the multi only goes to 9.
As you can tell from the pics I provided for my own E8400, I lowered the multi to 8 and pumped the FSB. This generally leads to faster performance.
And don't worry, I recently did a processor upgrade myself from E8400 to Q9550. You can see the rest of the specs in my profile, but for the price/performance from moving to Q9550/Q9650 to Core i7 there is about a 1% - 5% gain in performance dependent on what's being done. So I just grabbed the Q9550 and am extremely pleased with it. |
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| SWAMadcat |
Posted 13th Feb 2009 12:46am |
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How much difference can you see with the Q9550 clocked to 3.6 vs the e8400 clocked to 4.0? Was it worth the upgrade? Its only 90 bucks more and has my interest. But is it faster? |
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| sobe |
Posted 13th Feb 2009 3:43am |
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It's a bit harder to compare quads to duals, especially in the Core2 range.
But give or take a C2Q clocked at 3.6GHz is generally faster than a C2D clocked at 4GHz. With the Q9550 even more so for apps that make use of the 12Mb cache.
Personally, everything is a bit more snappy in response. GTA4 loves it, that's for sure  As far as everything else, I can multitask with no delay now. With the E8400 @ 4GHz, it was indeed quite fast, but I still noticed slight delay in certain things while I had it doing another task.
That's why people were grabbing E8400s, due to the consistent hitting of 4GHz and farther. The dual cores being clocked that high get good use from games vs quads. (Duals tend to clock higher for the Core2 lineup)
Q9550 is indeed very nice, and I in fact plan to take it to 4GHz on air for now. I use a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with retention bracket to keep it at reasonable temps. The stock HSF blows... lol
I'd look around though, I recently sold my E8400 E0 stepping for $130 ($160 after including Sunbeam CoreContact Freezer HSF) on OCForums.
Worth the upgrade, seeing as I sold the E8400 and pretty much paid the difference really, it wasn't bad at all for an upgrade. If you are on a LGA775 setup that can handle a C2Q and you dont feel like jumping onto the i7 right now or dont feel like waiting for the mainstream i5, then yes, a worthwhile upgrade.
You have to keep in mind though, if you go quad, all 4 cores will not be used in apps unless the applications are designed to take use of all 4 cores. Worth it for me though, definitely. I like to multitask while I have a game running in the background, movie, couple streaming vids, and few other things including Adobe AfterEffects and PhotoShop. So for me, the upgrade helped a lot in which I can seamlessly do everything I want without having to wait for something due to the CPU lagging out the system.
All we need nowdays is for mainstream SSDs for hard drives to be less of a limitation on speeds ^^ |
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