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| Bjossi |
  Posted 25th Jul 2005 6:51pm |
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I´m playing on hard difficulty.
It´s the part where you swim up into the submarine bay while you chase Capek to his secret lab.
I always lose alot of health and armor there, there are 3 guards, and they all begin shooting at me as soon as I get close to the ladder. And after finishing them off I have less than 40 health.
My vision is bad, I´m very nearsighted so if I don´t look directly at something, I can´t see it at all. So it makes it hard for me to spot the guards. I was wondering if there is a way to be able to headshot the guards from underwater with the pistol, without them seeing you.
Or perhaps someone has a good idea to avoid big health losses, 60 and above sounds good health to me. Same for enviro suit.
I wish I could do like most/all of you, just swim up and take them down quickly, but it just can´t be done in my case.
Please help me, I hate beeing stuck in this area.  |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 25th Jul 2005 7:00pm |
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| Quoting Bjossi | .
Or perhaps someone has a good idea to avoid big health losses, |
Yes...
type vivalahelvig in console (after pressing tilde) |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 25th Jul 2005 8:00pm |
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Outside of cheating...
The rate of deflection is near zero for RF (they did a very poor job on realistic environments, but everything else is good), so you should be able to quickly see where the guards are and aim for their heads (keep playing the section over and over again, memorizing their positions).
Alternately, skip the section. It is completely irrelevant to the game (if you're where I think you are. When you are in the bay, is there a button somewhere to drop a submarine down? Both this section and the section before the feed chute (with the worm at the bottom) have 3-5 guards). If you are near the feed chute, try to climb up the ladder and run as fast as you can into the chute. Of course, you'll have to dodge as you run (just use a and d to strafe back and forth as you run, and duck or jump from time to time), then run into the chute and prepare to fight the worm thing. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 25th Jul 2005 8:44pm |
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molodiets: I look at cheating as...cheating. 
Vidi44: Thanks for the tips. But I´m not sure what that feed chute is. I don´t know much in English. I do remember the button in the bay to drop the submarine, but I don´t know what that feed chute is.
Thanks for help.  |
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| Dorling |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 7:40am |
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Park the sub just outside. Get out and go behind it. Strafe sideways and try to get some hits through the gaps. Otherwise you can fire as fast as you can and see if that works, but you might find you run out of bullets. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 1:17pm |
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Thanks for the tip.
I killed the guards with 61 health so I´m off to the next part.
Do the guards have alot more accuracy on Hard rather than the other difficulties? It seems alot so. |
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| LordSeafood |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 1:40pm |  |
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yes they have better accuracy, do more damage and have a better reaction time ... its what makes it hard  |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 2:25pm |
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Too hard in this part of the game where you have to climb a ladder into an open area with 3+ guards shooting at your CENSORED with insanely powerful rapid fire weapons.
I like that description.
But now I´m in that big ice cave, stuck again, the sub doesn´t do much above the water surface. |
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| goober |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 2:31pm | |
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| Quoting Bjossi | Too hard in this part of the game where you have to climb a ladder into an open area with 3+ guards shooting at your Censored with insanely powerful rapid fire weapons.
I like that description.
But now I´m in that big ice cave, stuck again, the sub doesn´t do much above the water surface. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 5:34pm |
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Fusion RL? I don´t have any...
(I don´t cheat) |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 11:57pm |
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| Quoting Bjossi | Too hard in this part of the game where you have to climb a ladder into an open area with 3+ guards shooting at your Censored with insanely powerful rapid fire weapons.
I like that description.
But now I´m in that big ice cave, stuck again, the sub doesn´t do much above the water surface. |
Ok, by the looks of it, you're nowhere near the feed chute I spoke of earlier (it is the next section you have to go to). From where you are at, the ice cave should have 3 tunnesls, 2 leading back, one leading the the chute. From where the submarine drops down, orient yourself to its front (face the front from on top of it). Underwater and to your right should be the correct tunnel for you to take towards the feed chute. There should (if you didn't kill it) be an alien fish that will attack you. Kill it and move on. From there, just go through the tunnel, and you'll come up on a similar, guard-surrounded area, but this will be where you need to be.
After killing the guards, there should be a grey elevator that doesn't work, on the same side as the ladder (well, shouldn't be hard to miss, its pretty big and has a button near it). Bypass that (it doesn't open, and Capek taunts you if you try). Stick to the right of the wall, and you'll find a tunnel with bars through it. You can slip through the bars, and you'll fall into the feed chute (Capek even refers to it as such). You'll hear some strange noises, then fall about 50 feet to the ground (fall damage may be heavy). A worm-like creature will spit acid at you. The trick is to kill it when it is ready to spit the acid at you. Shoot it in the mouth, and after a few shots (I like to use the sniper rifle if I have it, or the assault rifle), it should drop. Behind you (jic you are damaged), there is an assault rifle and envirosuit on a dirt pile (you may have hopped over it in the battle). From there, you have a choice of dropping through the grate on the far side of the room, or going through the door above it.
If you choose to use the grate, you'll meet another monster, but this time, you'll have a corner to hide behind. After that, you'll have glass to shoot out, then a tunnel with 2 guards patrolling. Kill them, and take out the sniper at the end of the tunnel (which turns into a bridge). Then you'll go into a ladder, and enter the labs.
If you choose the door, you'll meet some guards, and 2 snipers at the end of the bridge. I usually don't take the door, so I'm not sure what exactly you'll face. They both lead (as all tunnels/halls do in RF) to the same place.
Also, the AI were shooting assault rifles at you, set on full auto mode. I'd suggest that you should've played the game on easy before you tried it on hard mode. After "hard", there is the "Impossible" difficulty, which I've yet to try (cheating is the only way I've been able to get through that difficulty, and I sometimes have to cheat on "hard" mode as well ). |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 9:37am |
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use camera2 and shoot at anything that moves including the rocksnake.
I dont know if camera2 is a cheat coz it justs changes the camera.p.s i have managed to kill the little rock snake with the control baton using heehoo heheh |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 12:42pm |
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Vidi44: That´s the cave I´m in. I´ve played the game through 3 times, once on Easy and twice on Medium. It´s just this time the guards are too hard for me to even survive.
In previous difficulties strafing and jumping around has done the trick but on hard that´s not the case. I get shot all the time even when I strafe/jump like mad.
Thanks for your tips, but it ain´t working just swimming to the ladder and then shooting. I get killed soon after that. There are just too many guards that I can´t see until I´ve searched. I was thinking of going back to grab the secret Fusion Rocket Launcher from the steam area, but I´m very far away and I can´t go back after falling into the water with the first fish.
I´ve tried sniping the guards from underwater but they´re always on the move.
I´m giving up on this... |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 3:41pm |
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| Quoting Bjossi | Vidi44: That´s the cave I´m in. I´ve played the game through 3 times, once on Easy and twice on Medium. It´s just this time the guards are too hard for me to even survive.
In previous difficulties strafing and jumping around has done the trick but on hard that´s not the case. I get shot all the time even when I strafe/jump like mad.
Thanks for your tips, but it ain´t working just swimming to the ladder and then shooting. I get killed soon after that. There are just too many guards that I can´t see until I´ve searched. I was thinking of going back to grab the secret Fusion Rocket Launcher from the steam area, but I´m very far away and I can´t go back after falling into the water with the first fish.
I´ve tried sniping the guards from underwater but they´re always on the move.
I´m giving up on this... |
Bjossi hide underwater really far from the grenade use camera2 and then snipe the guards heads.And like i said KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES ! HARD AND IMPOSSIBLE MODES BASIC RULE IS THAT . |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 8:11pm |
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Nobody ever did answer what camera 2 is, so I'm confused as Canada on that part there.
By the sounds of it, you just have to go through that one tunnel and get to the chute. Still, I do agree that RF is a beast on anything higher than medium (when I first started out, I thought medium was the hard mode, lol). The good thing about RF is that the AI is very intelligently designed, however, that's also its worst thing (lol). Even on easy mode, the game is pretty hard, which is a good thing. However, I wouldn't blame you for giving up on hard mode.
One of these days, I'll decide to challenge myself as you have. Until that day, easy is good enough for me, simply because I map some pretty crazy maps that are near impossible on easy mode (well, if it isn't challenging when the AI are stupid, how else will you improve? You can only go up from where you're at). Once I get a few more maps done (each of my "insane" maps takes about a month to do, simply because of all the scripting and details), I may release a pack, but until then, if you want, I'll hurry up and finish my "Fortification" level (well, I'll probably re-name it), which the object is to fight your way through a very heavily fortified position to enter the enemies' little-mini base (which is just a small room with 20 or so guards in it), to rescue Parker. To be nice to the n00bs, I put in my weapons rack (which holds every weapon in the game, along with a large section of ammo), which should make the level at least 40% easier, and if you use the rail (ultra-n00bs will) it will be 90% easier. If you want, I can have it done for you (since you seem to like a challenge, and you're frustrated with the SP), and possibly anyone else who asks for it. I won't load it onto the l4y server because I plan to make it part of a map pack, and anyone who'd want the individual levels could use VPViewer32 to extract the rfl files and manually make their levels via RED. Just PM me if you'd like it, but keep in mind that no matter what I release for the game to be "finished", it probably won't be finished until I just give up on updating it.
I'd hate for you to end up despising RF because of the SP. There is always the crazy MP, but I don't know how you'd do, what with your eyesight and all. You could always create a custom server with nothing but sniping (or run-and-gun, whichever works best for you), and make the levels small enough for you to manage easier. |
"Don't go there. It's ugly, and it never stops being ugly."
"Naps are good" - Visual C++.NET for Dummies, page 1 |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 8:16pm |
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camera2 is a way to get 3rd person view in RF Single Player... |
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