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| Predalienator |
  Posted 28th Jul 2005 4:37am |
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| Quoting ExoStatic | | camera2 is a way to get 3rd person view in RF Single Player... |
That is 1 of its many uses camera2 can go thru walls ,you can spy on guards know what is there walk path and you can kill them and they will be confused as a pig in the white house coz they dont no what,where,how,and who killed their freinds and themselves.You can also find many secrets in RF thats how i discovered new bugs and many enviro suits and health kits.Camera2 is cool and the easiest way to kill every single stupid guard and merc in the level without injuring yourself and with out moving heheheheh so easy  .I used camera2 and thats how i finished Hard mode and Impossible mode in 7 hours non stop.And bjossi when in the Space shuttle you will only have 50 or 60 seconds to got the escape pod and 30 seconds on disarming the bomb trust me that is the hardest part of the game i had to replay those 2 levels for about 4 times and then i could finish it. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 28th Jul 2005 3:13pm |
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| Quoting Vidi44 | Nobody ever did answer what camera 2 is, so I'm confused as Canada on that part there.
By the sounds of it, you just have to go through that one tunnel and get to the chute. Still, I do agree that RF is a beast on anything higher than medium (when I first started out, I thought medium was the hard mode, lol). The good thing about RF is that the AI is very intelligently designed, however, that's also its worst thing (lol). Even on easy mode, the game is pretty hard, which is a good thing. However, I wouldn't blame you for giving up on hard mode.
One of these days, I'll decide to challenge myself as you have. Until that day, easy is good enough for me, simply because I map some pretty crazy maps that are near impossible on easy mode (well, if it isn't challenging when the AI are stupid, how else will you improve? You can only go up from where you're at). Once I get a few more maps done (each of my "insane" maps takes about a month to do, simply because of all the scripting and details), I may release a pack, but until then, if you want, I'll hurry up and finish my "Fortification" level (well, I'll probably re-name it), which the object is to fight your way through a very heavily fortified position to enter the enemies' little-mini base (which is just a small room with 20 or so guards in it), to rescue Parker. To be nice to the n00bs, I put in my weapons rack (which holds every weapon in the game, along with a large section of ammo), which should make the level at least 40% easier, and if you use the rail (ultra-n00bs will) it will be 90% easier. If you want, I can have it done for you (since you seem to like a challenge, and you're frustrated with the SP), and possibly anyone else who asks for it. I won't load it onto the l4y server because I plan to make it part of a map pack, and anyone who'd want the individual levels could use VPViewer32 to extract the rfl files and manually make their levels via RED. Just PM me if you'd like it, but keep in mind that no matter what I release for the game to be "finished", it probably won't be finished until I just give up on updating it.
I'd hate for you to end up despising RF because of the SP. There is always the crazy MP, but I don't know how you'd do, what with your eyesight and all. You could always create a custom server with nothing but sniping (or run-and-gun, whichever works best for you), and make the levels small enough for you to manage easier. |
I find easy not so difficult, but hard however...
Yes, the AI is intelligent, but it has a useful flaw, just wait around a corner and shoot the enemy when he appears. And if it´s a small doorway, the guard will even stop and stare at you for a second or two before firing. Gives you a chance to fill his face with pistol rounds.
Camera2 sounds like cheating to me, but that place is close to impossible on hard, I gotta admit that. If I would grab the fusion rocket launcher, I´d be fighting Capek right now. 
If your levels are hard on easy, I won´t even try hard difficulty.
@Predalienator: But isn´t that basicly cheating? Using cam2?
I might aswell use the cheat only to get my butt to the feed chute. (alive) |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 28th Jul 2005 4:29pm |
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It is cheating to put it that way or it can be used to position camera3 you can use it if you only need it.If you dont want to use it for cheating you could use it too scout for med kits and enviro suits. |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 29th Jul 2005 12:44am |
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Still, no one mentioned how to access camera 2. Just tell me how to do that so I can stop wondering CENSORED you are talking about!
Also, my maps, although difficult, were/are being designed to test (mostly my own, but also others') skill in a variety of situations (kind of like ISM, but there is no real theme and it isn't a mod, just a map pack). The one I mentioned was designed to test "response under varying conditions", which is to say, I loaded it down with AI (whom all have a tactical advantage over you) and wanted to test how you'd react to it. Specifically, it was written so that you couldn't just n00bly run through the section, hoping to dodge it all, and also so that you couldn't snipe your way through. This one in particular was written for myself because I often have the problem of sticking to one strategy throughout a level/game. Snipe too long, and a railer will get you, but run-and-gun, and you'll be dead for sure. I plan to up the difficulty even more (although this variation would have to be released separately) by removing the AI rail/pr/sr drops and the weapons rack in the beginning, as well as removing the secret location that gives the player the tactical advantage. I do this because this level is one of my firsts, and is also the easiest to modify and get drastically different results.
Anyway, continue to enjoy the game, and maybe one of these days, you'll figure a way out without being forced into cheating. The AI flaw you mentioned isn't actually that great, at least not on my system. As my computer is overkill by roughly a power of 10 for RF, the slightest AI thought time is cut down to less than a second (possibly down to milisecond ranges). This means I'd have to be ready to engage them, meaning that even if I jumped in front of them, I'd have to have a plan. Although it is possible to "surprise" the AI by jumping out and blasting bullets at them, they quickly will mow me down, as they will immediately jump out of the way. Perhaps this isn't the issue with your computer, however on mine, easy can very well be as difficult as any other games' "hard" difficulty.
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| Predalienator |
Posted 29th Jul 2005 2:43am |
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To access camera2 vidi press ~ type camera2
camera3 makes parker in 3rd person mode. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 29th Jul 2005 1:06pm |
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If there´s anything I hate, it´s when I face guards in an open room/area and I have no cover. Your maps sound like they´ll piss me off.
(I have very high temper)
I used camera2 to get rid of the guards in the cave, now I´m currently inside the small cavern with the water pool, just after the jeep ride where I shoot at enemies while another miner drives. It has been very easy after the cave.
There´s another AI bug that´s annoying, I mentioned this in my other thread. Makes Capek and Masako easier than eating pizza...
The annoying thing is the cheating of it, it´s hard to avoid it when those two fly around the arena, easy to save while they´re somewhere you can see their feet but they can´t see you. I even did it in Capek´s case, accidently, I wanted to not cheat, but I saved while his feet were only visible. |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 29th Jul 2005 7:37pm |
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So, right now you've defeated Capek and should be en route to the communications center. Sweet progress you made. I started the game last night on medium (to work my way back up to hard) and its harder than I remember (hehe).
That one map isn't actually completely open. There are a few sections where you can hide behind stuff, but you'll always have at least one thing shooting at you. I tried to provide enough cover without making it possible to sit there for days on end to think of a plan.
I'll try the camera two thing out tonight, even though I have no idea how it'd help that much. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 30th Jul 2005 2:26am |
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Actually, now I´m in the command center, almost on top. I hate the mercs that appear behind you after you use the computer in that room, you´ll always get hit by them at least once.
The game ain´t that hard, the beginning is tough, but when you enter the barracks, things become alot easier. |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 30th Jul 2005 2:13pm |
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If your very low on health and envirosuits use camera 2 to scout them suprisingly there arent many while playin in Impossible mode.Bjossi when the space shuttle is going to explode be very quick and use the precision coz it kills mercs faster and when you reach the escape pods button just press it and let the merc die.  |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 31st Jul 2005 5:42pm |
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What space shuttle?
I can´t remember one except the space shuttle in the cutscene when you fly to the big space station to take out the defence grid. |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 1st Aug 2005 7:22am |
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Ooops  Space Station i forgot anyway what part are you in now? |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 1st Aug 2005 12:15pm |
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You meant space station? Oops.
In there, I kill all mercs before overloading the reactor. So it´s just a simple run to the escape pods.
But now I´m close to the tank-like vehicle, I got a 10 minute timer shortly before.
That´s going to be tough, specially the big room with the tank, I got lucky once and headshotted all mercs with heavy machine gun secondary fire. |
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Posted 1st Aug 2005 12:30pm |
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Yeah the APC mission thats tough the mercs damage are much more higher and mostly you will get killed.Hey i once drove the APC upsidedown it just slid across the rocky surfaces smoothly managed to squash some mercs I got upsidedown coz i hit that bumpy part of the mission then hit a boulder and then all i could see was merc legs and thier screams when bieng squashed Try that for fun. |
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| Bjossi |
Posted 1st Aug 2005 6:51pm |
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I can´t anymore, I´m now trying to kill Masako. That fight is tough, I´m inside a space fighter, but I´m not allowed to use it when Masako attacks me with the precision rifle. |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 12th Aug 2005 5:18am |
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Ahhhhh the Masako fight.  Use the ladders and jump on the uhhhhh what do you call it in english i think its called a metal bridge or something go to the highest point and then shoot Masako until the nano shield is over and then shoot her in the head 10 or 18 times and you win .There easy as cake.  |
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