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SkipRat  |
  Posted 21st Jul 2005 3:19pm |  |
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Come and live where for a month?
I cant remember where your from mate. Not ireland is it? |
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 Genxer  |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 10:19am | |
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| Quoting SkipRat | Come and live where for a month?
I cant remember where your from mate. Not ireland is it? |
Belfast in N.Ireland |
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| Madmorning |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 11:54am | |
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| Quoting BBC News | "I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.
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Thats how to deal with them....lets just hope they got the right guy |
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| Garner |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 11:58am | |
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Apparently the guy had been chased by police for a while after he dropped off a bag onto a tube train and then pegged it.
Not the brightest thing to do really...
The bag in question started to smoke and forced an evacuation of the train. |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 3:49pm |
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My brother said that BBC news said that the guy was obviously hiding something, then he started legging it.. so yeah.
My bro also thinks that he probably just pick-pocketed someone... and thought the police were after him for that.
Fool. But also the police are quite dumb... "Shoot first, ask questions second".... They should give people a chance.
Okay, if they have the detonator intheir hand and are shouting
"COME ON YOU MOTHER[Censored]S!! I'LL BLOW YOUR FACES TO [Censored]ING HELL!! STUPID C**TS!" Then that sorta gives them fair reason to shoot him... but not if he's nabbed a fiver off some fat old woman who doesn't need the money anyway... |
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| Garner |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 5:45pm | |
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Wrong, if they're suspected of being a suicide bomber police are trained to shoot first ask questions later. The offical guidelines are headshots to avoid any explosives strapped the body of the person.
Its either that or ask questions and get yourself and the 20 members of the public nearby blown to smithereens. The life of one person acting out of the ordinary and not responding to police commands (not to mention trying to run away from them) is forfeit versus the innocent people around the guy.
The guy was challenged and ran from police.
If you run from an armed police officer you're pretty damn stupid.
To do it the day after a probably second round of attacks on the capital is moronic. |
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| darragh |
Posted 22nd Jul 2005 7:08pm |
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Yeah so basically, welcome to Ankh Morpork! |
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| NoClanFrank |
Posted 23rd Jul 2005 1:58am | |
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| Quoting ExoStatic | | My bro also thinks that he probably just pick-pocketed someone... and thought the police were after him for that. |
If that was the case then maybe they should cut off his hands like they do in Iran to stupid little useless thieves... 
Sometimes I wish the the Police officers here(in the USA)acted more like they did in that incident... 
Arrest made in connection with latest London attacks
LONDON (AP) — A stocky man appears in a "NEW YORK" sweatshirt, reawakening memories of Sept. 11. A second man is shown in a white cap and a T-shirt sporting palm trees. Two others are in dark clothes, slightly obscured by a poor camera angle.
The grainy photographs that flashed on TV screens Friday put faces to the purported culprits of a failed attack on the London transit system the day before. Police appealed for help in finding the men, bringing the public into the dramatic hunt.
Authorities released the closed-circuit images as snipers and bomb squads fanned out across the city. Undercover police shot and killed a man in front of stunned subway passengers and arrested another.
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| LordSeafood |
Posted 23rd Jul 2005 2:08am | |
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yes but if the police knocked him to the ground than they were easily in striking distance and possibly used the but of the gun to stun/knock out the man in question and then if he was a "terrorist" then he could be questioned. On the other hand since the police were so close to the suspect 1 single headshot would have done it rather than 5 shots  . |
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| ishakmustafa |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 1:30pm |
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I am not a RACIST ! nor do i support it  .Everything else you said is true and almost true.Sorry if i offended anybody with the n###o thing i didint know it was racism Forgive me for that mistake i have african and black friends you know and they dont complain about it or act strange or offended.I know what it feels when somebody treats you like you dont belong here,or give you The Stare,or teat you like garbish i know how it is to be treated like a thing that is useless.Anyway i give my full respect to any staff member here.I read in the newspaaper that the London police accidently shot a brazillian man to death for bieng suspected that he was about to bomb a train.That dude was innocent.They should detain any suspects treat them like humans and question them,if they are really involved in any act of terrorissime they should go to court first .
I will tell you guys how a criminal is hanged.
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| Molodiets |
Posted 26th Jul 2005 4:23pm |
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| Quoting molodiets | They caught him. He was on the ground unable to move and they shot him five times in the head at small range. The cops weren't even in uniform. (they won't have to clean the blood and brain celsl from their clothes, they'll just trash them)
Five people chasing you with guns.
As for the possibility he could have a bomb... You haven't seen the movie "speed". Never heard of bombs that are triggered when you release the switch (ie when you die) |
| Quoting molodiets | That's what revolts me the most. You can get killed by 5 armed ununiformed guys in the underground and everybody thinks it's ok. Too bad for the victim. He d better have understood what was good for him.
The cops have orders. The order is to shoot to kill.
The spanish got more casualties but they didn't entered in an american kind of policy where policemen are cowboys and everybody is ok with it.
Fortunately, there will be an investigation. |
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Assaultman67  |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 12:55am | |
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| Quoting Garner | | Wrong, if they're suspected of being a suicide bomber police are trained to shoot first ask questions later. The offical guidelines are headshots to avoid any explosives strapped the body of the person. |
If somebodys running from you they probably aren't a suicide bomber, they are just plain scared ... heck i would probably run if somebodys chasing me with a gun ... but i wouldn't get myself into that position.
 If cops are like that in london ... im soo glad i don't live there.
| Quoting molodiets | | ... american kind of policy where policemen are cowboys and everybody is ok with it. |
I live in Nebraska, WE ARE COWBOYS HERE, but nebraskan police aren't gonna shoot you at point blank range if you ran from them. I know many people who have tried it (yes, they are stupid) and not have gotten shot. |
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| Garner |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 1:21pm | |
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You're fogetting the fact that this happened the day after 4 bombs failed to detonate on the transport system and 2 weeks after 4 bombs did detonate on the transport system killing 56 (inc the 4 bombers).
The guy leaves a block of flats under surveilance in connection with the bombings, refuses to stop when asked to by police and then wearing a thick coat runs from them and onto the Underground system.
If the guy had run into a low population area he'll probably be alive today... but he chose to ran onto a heavily used and full of people train.
| Quote | | If somebodys running from you they probably aren't a suicide bomber, they are just plain scared ... heck i would probably run if somebodys chasing me with a gun ... but i wouldn't get myself into that position. |
Why, your logic is a little off.
If I was a suicide bomber, I'd be expecting to die (as thats generally what suicide means  )
So if police were chasing me I'd try to get to an area with lots of people and then *click click* BBOOOOOOM...
Innocent or not there are certain things you don't do when challenged by police that suspect you of being a suicide bomber.
Running from them is one.
Running into an area with lots of people is another.
This guy did both. Wrong move.
The guy they arrested the day before (merely hours after the failed set of bombs) outside Downing Street got it right, he just stood still and did exactly what the police said. He's still alive as a result... |
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| SkipRat |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 1:46pm | |
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True true garner!
Exactly my feelings there.
Whatever anyone says garner and me are right.
it was the risk of another big incident with people getting hurt again, or shooting this bloke. The way they done it seems a bit strange but it has to be done.
Put yourself in the shoes of the police that day. you have about 5 seconds to choose to shoot this bloke or risk dieing. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 27th Jul 2005 2:15pm |
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| Quoting Garner |
If I was a suicide bomber, I'd be expecting to die (as thats generally what suicide means )
So if police were chasing me I'd try to get to an area with lots of people and then *click click* BBOOOOOOM...
Innocent or not there are certain things you don't do when challenged by police that suspect you of being a suicide bomber.
Running from them is one.
Running into an area with lots of people is another.
This guy did both. Wrong move.
The guy they arrested the day before (merely hours after the failed set of bombs) outside Downing Street got it right, he just stood still and did exactly what the police said. He's still alive as a result... |
Muslim bombers are not expected to be efficient. Doing the ultimate sacrifice guarantees them salvation. That's why so many palestinians blow themselves up without killing anyone else. Crowd or not crowd, they trigger the bomb when they feel their mission is jeopardized.
I personnally usually wear a big coat too to put all my stuff (wallet, credit card, etc). It's not a crime either.
They killed him as he was unable to move and therefore couldn't have triggered any bomb. And it happened that he actually comited no crime at all( and be sure the cops have searched something to charge him)
Usually London policemen aren't armed, now they have firearms and proved to be trigger happys unable to use them properly. That brezilian guy probably didn't know the good old bobby had turned to an anti-terrorist supercop that kills first and asks then. I suppose now people will know it.
As far as i know even in texas which is not the most tolerant state, you're not convict to death when you flee away from the cops to hide in a crowd or to take a train in order to escape them. London underground has reached a paramount of insecurity. Not only there are bombs but anyone can chase you with guns, kill you and everybody finds it fine. Certainly terrorists should think of that: Enter the tube, shout "police" and execute someone at random then leave. They don't even need uniforms.
I think your logic is (almost) ok but your tolerance is severely off.
| Quoting skiprat | | Put yourself in the shoes of the police that day. you have about 5 seconds to choose to shoot this bloke or risk dieing. |
The policemen are not responsible. They execute silly orders (and innocent people). |
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