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| Molodiets |
  Posted 1st Jun 2005 10:36pm |
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| Quoting SKA-Diesel |
I would have to disagree with that. Evolution would take billions of years, but the Bible says that God created the heavens (space) and the Earth in 6 days. An all powerful god would not need to evolve its designs, but simply create them. |
Ain't it a bit presomptuous to think that man is the perfect creature GOD could make. The best living being in the whole univers.
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| Quoting molodiets | | Don't mix up evolution and darwinism |
Do explain the difference. |
that's an interresting question. Before Darwinism, there was Lamarkism. Lamark thought that living creatures do evolve over very long period of time in order to adapt to their environment but he didn't thought of natural selection or "survival of the fitest". Darwin says that there is no need for an exterior intervention to adapt. It's just a phenomenon in which those that are the least fit will be overclassed and replaced by the fittest and will finaly disapear. Lamark thought there could be a major (and maybe devine) scheme that leads the environement to change and living beings to adapt consequently.
| Quoting SKA-Diesel |
How has religion "imprisioned" anyone? I would take the opposite view and say that faith makes us free. The Bible says that sin is bondage. And there is no Christian in the world who opposes science, thats a unfounded rediculous statement.
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Remember Galileo Galilei, Giordano Bruno.. etc.
they have been forced to condemned by inquisitorial tribunals as heretic.
Never underistimate the influence of the catholic Church over the devellopement of sciences in the midle age. |
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| mad_ferrit |
Posted 1st Jun 2005 10:53pm |
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I find it very difficult to fathom that so many people choose to disregard science and logic in favour of this "Almighty Power" that created All! OK, we might not have gotten to the bottom of the scientific debate on the meaning of life but until we do then I think all you devout church-goers oughta start looking at this from more of a logical viewpoint...
Personally I choose GOD as the last resort when contemplating this matter... The notion of an almighty GOD is an easy answer to an impossible question  |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 2nd Jun 2005 12:58pm |
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| Quoting molodiets | | Ain't it a bit presomptuous to think that man is the perfect creature GOD could make. The best living being in the whole univers. |
I didnt say that? Im not talking about just humans, Im talking about every living creature, plant, etc etc
Aint it even more presumptuous to think that we came about by chance? 
| Quoting molodiets | | It's just a phenomenon in which those that are the least fit will be overclassed and replaced by the fittest and will finaly disapear |
rodent -->bat
So why would a mouse billions of years ago start to grow wings? The wings were never in its DNA, so a random mutation caused a mouse to grow wings, which were light enough and strong enough for it to learn to fly.
If the mouse began to grow membranes between its fingers, the fingers began to stretch.. it would die. It would not be fast enogh to escape from predators, so evolution would make it extinct. The more you really think about how evolution works, you begin to see more and more holes in the theory.
| Quoting molodiets | | Never underistimate the influence of the catholic Church over the devellopement of sciences in the midle age. |
True the catholic church has a lot to answer for. Luckily Im not a catholic.
| Quoting mad_ferrit | | I find it very difficult to fathom that so many people choose to disregard science and logic |
Yeah its sad how so many people blindly accept the theory of evolution. Ferrit, evolution is not SCIENCE, its a theory
which has a total lack of logical evidence, and is taught all around the world as an absolute truth.
If evolution were true it would take billions of years for it to happen... funny how theres now so much evidence for a young Earth (i.e less than 20,000 years).
I'll get some evidence posted in my next post  |
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Posted 2nd Jun 2005 2:43pm |
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"Now, clearly, if random mutations could account for the evolution of life, then they must have added a lot of information to the genome from the time of the putative first simple organism until the appearance of all present life. If this vast amount of information was built up by an accumulation long series of random mutations and natural selection, then each of these many billions of mutations must have, on the average, added some information. Yet after all the molecular studies that have been done on mutations, not a single one has been found that adds any genetic information! They all lose information!"
"Not by chance", Dr. Lee Spetner |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 2nd Jun 2005 11:15pm |
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| Quote | | Aint it even more presumptuous to think that we came about by chance? |
Well not its not, because what makes us so important?, just because we can think does not make us the only thinking creatures out there, sure we value our own life but that is nature not the law of the land, and that does not make us the ruler of everything, we think we are but that is another way we survive and personaly our worst and best trait...we with this trait have made many animals extinct, we also act without concern for other living beings alot of the time....but on the other hand it is what made us kill animals for food and that were hunting us
If we did not act like this we would not be alive today, but also with that power we abuse it and think we are the ONE and invincable |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 2nd Jun 2005 11:35pm |
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| Quoting SKA-Diesel | Ferrit, evolution is not SCIENCE, its a theory
which has a total lack of logical evidence, and is taught all around the world as an absolute truth.
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Science is made of theories. Only theories. Those theories are never flawless. Relativity isn't either. They somehow permit to foresee phenomena but science don't claim to be true , unlike religion. |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 2nd Jun 2005 11:40pm |
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That is partly true.
But most scientific theories are either observable, or experiments can be carried out to test theories and ideas.
All Im saying is that Evolution is not observable, theres no logical evidence for it, and you cannot do experiments to test the theory. |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 3rd Jun 2005 1:36am |
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they can do some test but you seem to dismiss them |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 3rd Jun 2005 11:17am |
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What tests? |
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| MasterBETA |
Posted 6th Jun 2005 5:46pm |
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This is a debate with no answer.....until we die we won't know.
For the evolution argument ther hasn't been discovered the remains of a "missing link".
For the creation argument there hasn't been discovered a human "fossil" aged the same as other fossils found.
I think everyone agrees that mIcroevolution exists, yet mAcroevolution is arguable for christians.
Most of these threads have been closed by this point by staff here; maybe L4Y is "evolving".
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| Molodiets |
Posted 6th Jun 2005 5:52pm |
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| Quoting MasterBETA | Most of these threads have been closed by this point by staff here; maybe L4Y is "evolving".
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Ha Ha Ha. Excellent Master BETA.
10 days to reach page 5 on such a topic. I think the users are evolving.
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