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| mad_ferrit |
  Posted 27th May 2005 8:31pm |
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"GOD" does not exist... Get over it!!! 
I am intrigued by this theory of "Intelligent Design" and am just getting the book from Amazon 
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 27th May 2005 8:48pm |
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| Quoting Mad_Ferrit | | "GOD" does not exist... Get over it!!! |
Wow.. not heard that one before 
Think I'll need a better argument than that to rattle my belief  |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:00pm |
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Put it this way. If God reallyt did exist, and he was the all powerful being some people believe him to be, why does he let the world go to waste?
Like the "3rd world". Why is it there? Surely he/she/it could do something about it?
But, saying this, he could be angry with the human race after what happened in Eden. If that ever happened.
these things do take a lot of discussion. So we're not gonna be coming to an answer just yet |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:11pm |
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| Quoting Exo | | If God really did exist, and he was the all powerful being some people believe him to be, why does he let the world go to waste? |
According to Genesis, in the Bible, God created a perfect world for us to inhabbit. But Adam and Eve disobeyed God and brought sin into the world. With sin comes destruction. Dont know if that helps.
| Quoting Exo | | Like the "3rd world". Why is it there? |
Because greedy men/women used other people as slaves, stole their natural resources... men desire power, hence why there are Dictatorships... Communinism, which sounds good on paper, but can have devastating results to nations.
Im not a historian, but you'll probably find that its man who has "created" a lot of the terrible circumstances around the world. |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:15pm |
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Ah yes. Didn't think of those points.
Maybe we could have a more in depth discussion on MSN. I just don't get that "philosophical" feeling on L4Y...
But yes. Man has created many of the, well, crappy situations on earth. It has been said many times, be it in song or story or.. whatever, that it's in a nature to destroy ourselves.. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:27pm |
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| Quoting SKA-Diesel |
Because greedy men/women used other people as slaves, stole their natural resources... men desire power, hence why there are |
Wasn't the point of this thread to say that a God created mankind (hence the atrocities the latter may have commited).
No need to speak about a particular one like the god of christians or jews. God can be replaced by supreme planner and creator of all things.
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:44pm |
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I was just trying to answer his question
| Quoting molodiets | | No need to speak about a particular one like the god of christians or jews. |
Well Im speaking on behalf of what I believe, so forgive me if I use it as reference. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 27th May 2005 9:50pm |
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| Quoting SKA-Diesel | I was just trying to answer his question
| Quoting molodiets | | No need to speak about a particular one like the god of christians or jews. |
Well Im speaking on behalf of what I believe, so forgive me if I use it as reference. |
It was not a reproach. |
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| mad_ferrit |
Posted 27th May 2005 10:17pm |
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| Quoting SKA-Diesel | | Quoting Mad_Ferrit | | "GOD" does not exist... Get over it!!! |
Wow.. not heard that one before
Think I'll need a better argument than that to rattle my belief |
I just got a hunch man...
I'm usually right |
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| MasterBETA |
Posted 28th May 2005 1:06am |
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It blows my mind that Christians/beleivers can't allow themselves to think that maybe,just maybe "God" works WITH evolution.  I mean CENSORED ? If you beleive that "God" created EVERYTHING, then certainly he/she created "EVOLUTION"; right?!?
Another thing, 7 days to create our world and all it's organisms. 7 "God-days" could be millions of our earth years. I mean, if he/she is "eternal" then just 1 of his/her "days" could be a hundred "earth years" or even billions of our rotations around the sun. 
Open your little minds humans. Life is MUCH bigger than just our little planet.
......and why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible, yet fire breathing "dragons" are?hmmmm? |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 28th May 2005 11:14am |
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| Quoting masterbeta | | .....and why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible, yet fire breathing "dragons" |
Actually there is one reference.. using Dinosaurs proper name "Behemoth". It is described as a large slow moving beast... at the bottom of the passage the reference says "Behemoth = elephant", but the description says it has a tail like a cedar tree... elelphants have short wiry tails, so its more than likely a dinosaur, maybe a brachiosaurus.
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Another thing, 7 days to create our world and all it's organisms. |
Actually it was 6 days . Genesis says "and there was evening and there was morning" after each stage of creation... so I believe its meaning literal 24 hour days.. and not millions of years. |
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| The_Doc |
Posted 28th May 2005 12:15pm |
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I don't believe in god. Never have, never will.
I think that the astroid/comet that hit earth and killed all the dinosaurs, had us inside it... well are little un-evolved selves. Like that movie Evoloution.
Well that's what i think |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 28th May 2005 12:26pm |
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That's a good theory there 
Though I don't think we came directly from space. Maybe we started off as tiny organisms with these organic machines in them, which came from space in the comet, and they spread out and started to multiply and grow and all that..
But they must have evolved a fair way. I think at some point in the past, we were as un-conscious as a snake or a rat.. but now, we're the most conscious beings to have ever lived. Everyone says that "animals are stupid" and that they "can never be human".
Of course they can't have the molecular structure of humans, but they can have the consciousness. I think the animal most closest to reaching this is the dolphin. Maybe it already has reached it, we don't know as we can't speak the language of dolphins. Maybe someone could make us an online translator? |
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| The_Doc |
Posted 28th May 2005 12:50pm |
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Thanks 
Ok, so the componets can't 'evolve' but can they grow?
Because when we grow up, our mind improves and so doe's our apperance, so maybe the components grew, but it just take's longer for them to grow.
It's like when your mum told/tells you to grow up, your mind is different, you act different... well if you do what your told |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 29th May 2005 1:19am |
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if you want tho think of it in the component way, all it will do is change components around until it make a "better" version of itself, so in a way that is changing and "evolving", all its doing is moving "components" around
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I just decided to read it and i am about half way through, it is funny because this guy is relating molecules/atoms/proteins what ever to human inventions, screws, moters etc.
I know that the words for atoms and stuff are human, but the structures themselves are not.
I know im using messy wording but im typing fast coz i gtg.
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and the idea of evolution has nothing to do with biology, it was a theory (and still is (thus meaning not proven)) of why and how we evolved, not what our bodys went through
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| Quote | But with a mousetrap, if you started with a wooden platform, that wouldn't catch any mice. Natural selection would have no reason to keep that. Even if you put another component on it, it still wouldn't catch mice. The important thing about irreducible complexity is there are many systems in the cell that have that same property. You take one component away and it's broken; it doesn't work any more.
So that's a big problem for Darwinian evolution because you can't put things like that together gradually. It seems you need intelligence or some other outside intelligent agency to put these things together. |
And this people is why a mouse trap is a human invention not a bloody living organism which he is comparing his theory and darwins to, he uses inanimate objects that we humans have made and invented and comparing it with living human beings and animals, and sez that he cant see how darwins theory works.....my opinion is he is trying to make science look bad so you can beleive in the big G |
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