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| MasterBETA |
  Posted 29th May 2005 6:08am |
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| Quote | | so I believe its meaning literal 24 hour days.. and not millions of years. |
That is rediculous- if you dig a hole fifty meters deep the soil found at the surface has a carbon 14 age that is "younger" than the soil found at the deeper level. And I am no scientist but I would bet the age difference is definately NOT only five days different. LOL, you have just proven the arrogant thought process that most christians exhibit. Exactly as I was speaking of. 
FACT-Some dinosaur fossils have been found to be hundreds of millions of years in age difference.
FACT-NO human fossils dating anywhere close to this age have ever been discovered.
HYPOTHESIS-If "God" created everthing in six days, then the whole existance of the giant "behemoths" must have fallen somewhere in those "six days" BEFORE the humans were created.
Remember: the dinosaurs have been proven by carbon dating to have lived for "hundreds of millions" of YEARS. And man has never co-existed with dinosaurs(except in "Land of the Lost")
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| DemonHunter |
Posted 29th May 2005 9:43am |
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MasterBETA, I know your one to preach tolerance. So would it be all that hard to be a little more tolerant and respectful of christians? You really like to put us down and I would appreciate it if you would kindly stop. Thanks |
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| GTA |
Posted 29th May 2005 10:13am |
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any belive in evolution is religion not science, you cant prove religion just have faith, you belivein in evolution and your god is darwin, thats your right bot dont ever assume its science |
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| ITCH |
Posted 29th May 2005 10:26am |
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IMO we will never know. I personaly don\'t beleive in God , I beleive we came from outer space , But who created it all . and I mean ALL!, can anyone answer that?  |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 29th May 2005 12:02pm |
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| Quoting Crazmonkey | | my opinion is he is trying to make science look bad so you can beleive in the big G |
Hes not trying to make science look bad, hes showing the holes in the THEORY of evolution. Darwins theory of evolution is simply that, a theory and not a science. Every scientist on the planet will tell you that.
The reason a mouse trap is mentioned is because it too is made up of components, just like the Bacterial Flagellum. Now If you throw a component into Natural Selection it is not going to grow or develop new or more components.
Once you get your head round that idea you will see how evolution cannot explain the existence of these biological machines which occupy our cells.
| Quoting Masterbeta | | FACT-Some dinosaur fossils have been found to be hundreds of millions of years in age difference. |
Did someone get hold of the dinos birth certificate? Carbon dating is not that accurate, as it can decay at varying rates. |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 29th May 2005 9:42pm |
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learn science before you comment, all this comoponents are are atoms joined together, so as i said before a differewnt component is just different atoms in different combinations. Also atoms can merge together and make another atom.
He is debating two DIFFERENT topics, evolution, and biology. Biology has nothing to do with the selection theory by Darwin...All he says is the weak die off and the strong survive, then if a new trait comes out and that survives better then that will stay and that process continues. As you see biology has nothing to do with this.
And you cant tell me that a religion that started of by saying that everything was created in 7 or 6 days what ever, then has changed to say that we evolved. It keeps changing its ideas because the majority of the human population is. Science has not changed its stance, all science is is making theorys, testing and continuing. Scientist (in general, not the half arse religious scientists who cant be a scientist because they have a slanted view) do not beleive in a diety or supernatural being, they ask questions and try and figure it out, not put their trust in something unknowen. |
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| The_Doc |
Posted 29th May 2005 10:41pm |
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I think that god is a figure that was made (don't have a clue who by), so that when people's hopes were down, they were given something to lift up their spirits. And maybe to scare people so that they would not be bad etc...
Sorry if this offends religious people |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 29th May 2005 10:42pm |
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Indeed, you should not be offending any people, as it is just your belief. As it is theirs that they think God and all that exist and created the earth. |
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| SKA-Diesel |
Posted 29th May 2005 11:02pm |
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@ Crazomnkey
Ok if Ive offened you I apologise, as your last post seems rather agitated.
| Quoting Crazymonkey | | learn science before you comment |
I was top in Physics in High School, and quite enjoyed Biology and Chemistry, also I read many books and articles on science whenever I can.
| Quoting Crazmonkey | | All he says is the weak die off and the strong survive |
Yes, thats mIcroevolution, or observable adaptation, but its not one species transforming into another, visa vie mAcroevolution, i.e a cat evolving into poodle. Microevolution requires changes in environement/food supply etc, marcoevolution requires dangerous mutations in DNA. So lets no get mixed up with environment adaptation and full blown mutation.
| Quoting crazmonkey | And you cant tell me that a religion that started of by saying that everything was created
in 7 or 6 days what ever, then has changed to say that we evolved. |
Some religous types may have changed their opinion over the years, but the Bible has never changed.
| Quoting crazmonkey | | Science has not changed its stance, all science is is making theorys, testing and continuing. |
LOL.. the ideas of physics change like the weather, as do scientists "theories" on everything...
"So is light a wave, a particle, or is it both.." 
And good science is testable through experimentation, which hasnt really ever been done for evolution. You cant say is Evolution is a science, it is simply a "religion".
| Quoting crazmonkey | | (in general, not the half arse religious scientists who cant be a scientist because they have a slanted view) |
OK. Your just clutching at straws now. You are right that there are religous scientists, but do not be so naive as to say they are "half arsed". It is through great discoveries in the irreducible complexity of enities within biology that many non-religious scientists have come to question the idea of evolution.
Anyway, I only started this thread to let you have a look at the way I see things, Im not trying to convert you over to my beliefs, so please refrain from insults etc. If you have some good evidence for a counter argument I would love to hear it  |
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| ExoStatic |
Posted 29th May 2005 11:06pm |
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Very long post there, m8. How long did that take you to type?
It does seem rather agitated. But nonetheless, he may have a point..
Science is basically theories, testing, then if the original theory was wrong, a new one is thought up..
But there is a lot more to it, too.. |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 30th May 2005 4:57am |
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I know the bible has never changed, but the way it is being interpreted is, and you cant tell me that after peoples strong beleifs and views of the bible that they can now start twisting it around and mixing science with it.....and for the people who say science is a religion, then you are mixing two religions and if you can do that they why can Christianity and and other religion like Buddhist(sp) or Muslim get along? (not that I say science is a religion)
Why are there so many religions, if there is ONE almighty god?
| Quote | | (in general, not the half arse religious scientists who cant be a scientist because they have a slanted view) |
i know this was a cheap shot, but once i get started i cant stop, and thoughs can also go out the window and get mixed up 
| Quote | | Indeed, you should not be offending any people, as it is just your belief. As it is theirs that they think God and all that exist and created the earth. |
I also know this, but I have encountered many people over the years trying to push religion on me and others around me so I just get irritated at times
yes the ideas of science may change, but that is what they want, they test then if that works or fits they keep it until it is improved on
| Quote | | I think that god is a figure that was made (don't have a clue who by), so that when people's hopes were down, they were given something to lift up their spirits. And maybe to scare people so that they would not be bad etc... |
I half think that but I also think that it was to deal with all the unknowen things out there, imagin looking up and seeing random lights (stars) or anything else strange like lightning, it would be un-nerving. Then once we started to think more, like where we came from, it is still un-nerving and that is why I think people still have gods
*of topic*
How do you bold? 
and while im asking that colours? |
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Posted 30th May 2005 8:20am |
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It takes faith to believe in God, and it takes faith to believe in Darwin. Basically, it is just a matter about who or what you prefer to believe, since none of it can actually be proven. |
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| Crazmonkey |
Posted 30th May 2005 9:31am |
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True true, but the reason I choose Science is because scientist are actually trying to figure it out
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but Darwin isnt a full beleif, it is a theory of science. Religion and science are vs/opposites what ever, but not darwin and religion. Darwin is a science bi product, and science in itself is not a beleif, it is a set of actions dedicated to finding the truth eventually
sci·ence n
1. the study of the physical world and its manifestations, especially by using systematic observation and experiment (often used before a noun)
2. a branch of science of a particular area of study
3. the knowledge gained by the study of the physical world
4. any systematically organized body of knowledge about a specific subject
5. any activity that is the object of careful study or that is carried out according to a developed method
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
re·li·gion n
1. people’s beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2. a particular institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3. a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by
4. an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by
5. life as a monk or a nun, especially in the Roman Catholic Church
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
faith n
1. belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
2. a system of religious belief, or the group of people who adhere to it
3. belief in and devotion to God
4. a strongly held set of beliefs or principles
5. allegiance or loyalty to somebody or something
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
as you can see science is not considered a fath in the english language, well in a small light it may be but normally it isnt. |
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| Lace |
Posted 30th May 2005 10:29am |
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But you need faith to believe in science, don't you?
Dictionary.com - Faith:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Darwin and parts of science are just that; an idea  |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 30th May 2005 12:47pm |
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| Quoting Lace | | It takes faith to believe in God, and it takes faith to believe in Darwin. Basically, it is just a matter about who or what you prefer to believe, since none of it can actually be proven. |
Ditto.
There is a funny question about that. Ask anyone whether it is the earth that turns around the sun or the contrary. People will answer earth turns around the sun. It's an act of scientific faith. They can't be sure or witness it. Theoreticaly, saying earth turns around the sun is as true as saying the sun turn around planet earth. They just turn around one another and none of them can be considered as still.
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