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sobe  |
  Posted 27th Jun 2009 7:08am |
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eh.. I believe you mean the 965, the 975 was literally just released within these past few weeks. But still at $1,000 its meh.
Also, it is HIGHLY advised you do NOT use the stock hsf.... Any CPU you purchase "retail" comes with a stock one from the factory, but it should never be used for safety issues concerning heat.
I'd highly recommend the Prolimatech Megalahem if you want to do any overclocking =D Might be slightly hard to find, but its the best air cooling on the market xD Another good option is the Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120. Otherwise, find a good premium if no overclocking.
Dunno how the tax would affect you, but for processors as of late I've been ordering from ZZF, as well as vid cards, the prices tend to be better there.
ZipZoomFly
You should also check out Frys if you have one near you. They have a lot of in-store specials. |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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| sobe |
Posted 27th Jun 2009 7:57am |
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MicroCenter also has some nice promotional in-store sales at times. Just gotta look around. Someone posted over at OCForums about that E7400 for $99, not too bad  Was tempted to grab one for an htpc I've been thinking about building.
lol how did we get on the discussion of e-tailors and Core i7 xD |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 27th Jun 2009 10:04am |  |
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Nah, I want the upgrade now, not in a few months.
And I also don't want to spend the money on a DDR3 mainboard, and additional DDR3 RAM which gains like no advantage over DDR2 except for power saving.
I'm not that much of an enthusiast to buy the hottest CENSORED to get 2-5percent more (which is like 0,5 -2fps) performance but actually paying a crazy amount.
I've made these plans long time ago and often been thinking over them. But inititally I wanted to go with the x4 920 or 940, 2 months ago they cost around 70% more, and the prices are stuck/stable now. The 955 fell around 70% in pricing as well.
The i7 work well in syntetic benchmarks, but the gap in games actually is lower. Performance per price is ridiculous.
Seriously..if you pay 280$ (man why is it so cheap for you... no tax?) just for a core, (excluding the new mainboard and RAM that you will ALSO need to buy) why not buy a whole PS3/XBox instead? (Plus some games with the spare money)
Sure, it's a whole different thing, but you see...people are rather taking consoles than PCs, because most of them get wrong (excessive) hardware recommendations from other people in the internet and just run away in shock.  (1000$ for a cpu....Yeah sure...  )
I don't even have to upgrade! But you know that human always want to have moar.
And of course I could be waiting a month or two for something happening, but isn't it that way all the time on the PC hardware market? Since I seem to go with AMD, waiting isn't worth it since the 955 is their latest cpu. I may only save a few $ but will also be..without a quad for that time.
I don't see that CPU getting old anytime soon. Maybe in March 2010 or so. Even my 6000+ does the job for any game on the market just well enough, and it will for future games - they kinda stagnate. (but I also want more multimedia/desktop performance etc)
So i7 is the enthusiast section.  |
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Modified Jun 27th, 10:10am by RED-FROG |
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| sobe |
Posted 27th Jun 2009 7:14pm |
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According to the reviews I had seen, Phenom II 940 for example gets 10fps - 50fps loss against the i7 920 in various games. And that's on the older 920, not the D0.
But cmon, $280 expensive for a cpu :/ I spent $280 for my Core2Quad Q9550 when THAT price was a great deal. Considering everywhere else had them for $300+.
I'll just say that personally, I would spend the extra $30 to get the i7. For that small amount extra it saves in the long run of things with a faster system. Especially if you do ANY video encoding, using an i7 compared to an Phenom II cuts encoding times in half. |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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| Ghostkid |
Posted 28th Jun 2009 5:35pm | |
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I've got 2 Cores.
Oh hai btw, =D |
Xbox 360 Gamertag: Firefist1
Xfire: Ghostkid1 |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 30th Jun 2009 5:39pm | |
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| Quoting sobe | According to the reviews I had seen, Phenom II 940 for example gets 10fps - 50fps loss against the i7 920 in various games. And that's on the older 920, not the D0.
But cmon, $280 expensive for a cpu :/ I spent $280 for my Core2Quad Q9550 when THAT price was a great deal. Considering everywhere else had them for $300+.
I'll just say that personally, I would spend the extra $30 to get the i7. For that small amount extra it saves in the long run of things with a faster system. Especially if you do ANY video encoding, using an i7 compared to an Phenom II cuts encoding times in half. |
if you had done some more research you would know that i7 means expensive mainboard (the cheapest one for i7 costs twice as much as Im paying for the Phenom mainboard) and even brand new DDR3 RAM which is probably the most useless expensive investation.
And its not +30$, it's +70$ here. (50€) by looking at the cheapest offers available. It's a silly investation per performance. No way I'm doing that. |
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| sobe |
Posted 30th Jun 2009 6:46pm |
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Well if you are doing a complete upgrade, i7 offers the most bang for buck. Don't need any research to tell you that, you can ask anyone over at XtremeSystems, etc. More than likely get the same response.
Will agree though, the motherboards are a bit on the high price side.
It all comes down to personal budget being the limitation really. If you don't have the extra $$$ to spend on an i7, I'd say Core2 or Phenom II is the way to go. I just find Phenom II silly as the performance is underpar with for example just my Q9550, not even considering it running at 4GHz.
But if you are wanting Phenom II due to stuck being an AMD fanboy like I used to be, then the improvement over your current cpu will be leaps and bounds. You'll be able to not only look at porn, but encode your own porn at the same time!!! Oh wait....  That's just me 
lol just jk, but seriously, either way you go will be an improvement, just let us know how the build goes ^^ Oh and pics xD |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 30th Jun 2009 8:54pm | |
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Yeah, I've been checking the Core2Quad 9550 the last couple of hours.
There's rare benchmarking stuff to find in the internet..or maybe I just search wrong.
Benches like Passmark etc don't say much to me. I would really like to see some gaming benches...but most I see actually show me that there is little to no performance advantages in that Phenom 920-955 and Core2Quad range - and i7 920.
Most likely due to the fact that...well...most of the games don't really take advantage of quad core systems. ~.~ Only really thing to bench would be GTA4...but I could only find one site with such benches, and there are not enough cpus listed.
So..the Q9550 has quite some advantages over the 955, but so does the 955 vice versa.  Stuff like that was tested:
3DMark06
3DMark Vantage
Cinebench R10
SiSoft Sandra 2009
wPrime, Super Pi, MaxxPI²
PCMark Vantage
WinRAR 3.80
POV-ray
TrueCrypt 6.0
DivX 6.8.4.7
MPEG 2
MP3
AAC
Assassin's Creed
BioShock
Company of Heroes
Crysis
Far Cry 2
Lost Planet: Colonies
Race Driver Grid
Sacred 2
the results of the tested games was real bs. Some games didn't show much difference on most cores. Probably because they tested wrong (the gfx breaks the performance?)
And those games (benchmarks..) are not really known for CPU intense moments.
But FarCry2, which is optimized for 8 cores shows this:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/2009/test_amd_phenom_ii_x4_945_955_black_edition/19/#abschnitt_far_cry_2
funny how the i7 couldnt even keep up
With that link, I didn't want to show that the 955 is THAT much stronger than a i7 965. It happened just in THIS test alone. In GTA4 for example it runs away from all other cpus...
It's just really weird. ^^ but overall it seems like the 9550 and i7s are the better choice. They are just...how should I call it...more solid, more power per mhz. But it's really not a lot more performance, and it's also a TAD more expensive. Can't really be bothered to buy an intel because of that. The Phenom II also have some nice features, they are somewhat better when it comes to memory reads/writes and this stuff.
AMD seems to run into a bad situation (they need to keep up with the i7 soon o_o), so I better support them. xD LOL And it's not like I'd be really placing my money entirely wrong..Jeez...I'll be getting my slight performance boost and it will be all good. I shouldn't be too picky about a few percent differences that in the end are only numbers but no noticeable change. o_o
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
On all the tests in the previous url the x4 940 fell behind...but in this list it's above the 955. Real bs.. some syntetic benches that just doesn't test the wide range of the cpu capabilities, or stuff that is important in games.
And the Q9550 is far away from the 955 there. In other benchmarks that is different.
Which benchmarks can you trust at all??? Everything is corrupt! LOL Either it's pro AMD or pro Intel. ~.~ |
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| sobe |
Posted 30th Jun 2009 10:26pm |
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Yea... see that german site you keep linking me to on XFire ALWAYS seems to have biased reviews showing new stuff doing much better than what it's really capable of. I dunno why.....
But I dunno, just google for reviews, lol. VR-Zone, Anandtech, etc.
FarCry 2, I WILL say is one game wherein the PII takes a lead, but aside from that single game that aside from visual beauty is utter crap. And yea, the Q9550 and 955 trade punches. One will be better at one, and then the test right below it the other will be slightly better, and so on.
Look for real-world benchmarks instead of stuff like synthetic benchmarks if you want a better view on the stuff. As you are getting a new cpu and motherboard now, I wouldn't recommend the Q9550 unless you can find it for a real good price.
The i7 is indeed much more powerful than the PII, but, as you said about the reviews you saw, some benchmarks will differ. Looking at real-world performance the i7 cleans house with the PII line, and yes of course there are exceptions, FC2 being one of those.
Btw, I used to be pro-AMD That changed though when Intel introduced Core2 and brought pure performance to the table. |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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Posted 3rd Jul 2009 5:50am | |
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| Quoting sobe | | Btw, I used to be pro-AMD That changed though when Intel introduced Core2 and brought pure performance to the table. |
LOL I almost went AMD ( and ATI have always bought nVidia ) but I couldn't get the new SATA hard drive to display when I tried loading Windows XP Pro. I also didn’t want to use Windows Vista, so I took all the stuff back and decided to wait a bit to build the PC with an Intel chip, which I've always have used. I have never over clock any of my PCs. Never been to concern how well my PC looks when I bench mark it. As long as it ran my current games without lag. That is what matters to me.
I just hope that the I7 goes down in price when I decide to build my new system. |
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| sobe |
Posted 3rd Jul 2009 6:19am |
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Frank you actually might want to just wait for Core i5 then. It will be the "mainstream Nehalem" so to speak.
Oh, and I was big on AMD when Intel introduced the Pentium 4. That cpu blew chunks |
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| OutlawSkot33 |
Posted 3rd Jul 2009 9:06am |
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my desktops current is an Intel Dual Core E6850 not overclocked or anything with an Ghz of 3.
I will be upgrading it when I redeploy back home to the states |
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Posted 3rd Jul 2009 3:18pm | |
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Your name has changed, too? Can't remember it was 33, and wasn't it OutlawSkot?
or who is this guy? L4Y is weird..
For the moment, Phenom II with DDR2 is the way to go.
Intel i7 has almost no advantages other than theoretical performance advantages, that are barely visible in games. (GPUs do that boost mostly)
DDR3 on the other hand....no wait... DDR3 is crap.
DDR3 theoretically has more memory bandwidth. But it also has some quite high latencies. The clock doubles, and so does the latencies almost the same. 0fps-1fps increase in games such as Crysis and FarCry2 over DDR2. Same with the little differences between DDR2 and DDR3 in tests like Futuremark, SiSoft Sandra, Cinebench etc.
It's told to be powersaving since it runs with less voltage, but the overall DDR3 system increases the powerdraw on other sides.
The only big difference is the..price.
My mainboard will offer Crossfire Hybrid. It will have a chipset (790GX) which runs HalfLife2 at over 50fps alone. Hell it's stronger than many of the graphics cards the people are using. (ATI Radeon HD3300)
But I think hybrid mode on graphics cards only works on Vista, right? Meh, I'll have to wait getting it in Win7.
That technology can disable the graphics card entirely when on desktop/watching movies etc. Very awesome and absolutely important powersaving.
One good step into future.
I wonder if it stays off when playing RF in windowed mode for example It doesn't require that much performance, the onboard chip will keep it at 120fps with ease. I hope its that advanced and configurable.
AMD was knowing DDR3 was a bad idea to go with just now. It's extremly expensive, there barely was a choice of different AM3 (DDR3) mainboards when launched (it's not much better now), and the mainboards are a lot more expensive. The boards for i7 are at least twice as expensive as good AM2+ (compatible with AM3 cpu) boards. omg!
They are so clever and made their PhenomII series compatible with AM2+ DDR2 boards, AND AM3 DDR3 boards by just adding two memory controllers to them. The mainboard companies even plan to produce AM3 socket boards that let you choose to use either DDR2 or 3.
There was a lot of hype about this new DDR3 in combo with i7 stuff, but facts (fps and benchmark score) reveal a totally different story.
Frank you said the matter to you is that it runs your current games without lag. That doesn't require a i7, neither Phenom II.
It only requires a decent dual core and if you want to go really save and high...a mighty GTX 285. That setup actually will boost framerates in games like hell. (of course there's also the 295 but I'm not talking about SLI stuff)
Well if you already planned to get a GTX285 AND a i7, then of course you can do that, too. Then you seem to have just a lot of spare money to spend. ^^
But for example a GTX260 and i7 setup will give you tons of worse performance in games and will cost you even more.
You could now ask, "why didn't you buy a GTX285 then?" Because I already own a HD4870 (the best - overclocked version), and a change to GTX285 will give too little performance boost for too much money. I was just giving out that info for guys that want a entirely new system. So upgrading the cpu for my system wasn't wrong. It gives other advantages in the long run. |
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Posted 3rd Jul 2009 5:50pm |
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The thing is i7 isn't theoretically better, it is In games the advantage over PII is more around a smaller amount, but in real-world performance outside of games it rips the PII in half, bends it over, and does so much naughtiness to it |
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