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| LordSeafood |
  Posted 3rd Oct 2005 1:51am |  |
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I would say im a mix between Masako and Capek
Ruthless, Brutal and Mentally twisted. Dont care much for science however  |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2005 8:59am |
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Can you mock me up a description of the Riot Guard?  He is my favourite character in the game, after that out of your list I would say Orion  |
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| Ranswer3 |
Posted 3rd Oct 2005 7:45pm |
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Wow there is alot of parkers!  |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 3rd Oct 2005 8:51pm |
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when i played the single player for the first time, I was surprised by Parker's submissiveness, his docility. From the begining to the end, he's manipulated by various "voices" in his head, the voices of people he's never heard before and he does obey like a dog, killing whoever tries to stop him, never getting any real explaination on Eos' motivations. The more i played, the more i was sure Parker would, sooner or later, realize he wasn't siding with the righteous ones. He couldn't be so guillible.
But finaly not. The scenario of the game, the psychology of the characters were just extremely poor and the hero is fairly simple minded. |
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| yoxy |
Posted 3rd Oct 2005 8:53pm |
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Well Since none perfectly suite me... and im parker in rf multi,
Ill Go with being parker... |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 4th Oct 2005 12:58am |
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| Quoting molodiets | when i played the single player for the first time, I was surprised by Parker's submissiveness, his docility. From the begining to the end, he's manipulated by various "voices" in his head, the voices of people he's never heard before and he does obey like a dog, killing whoever tries to stop him, never getting any real explaination on Eos' motivations. The more i played, the more i was sure Parker would, sooner or later, realize he wasn't siding with the righteous ones. He couldn't be so guillible.
But finaly not. The scenario of the game, the psychology of the characters were just extremely poor and the hero is fairly simple minded. |
So true molo. I never saw it that way. Of course, I don't think Parker had much of a choice, as his survival was dependant on the help others gave him. True, most likely he would have refused all the assignments given to him, however I'm sure he didn't have much of a choice. If he refused, how would he leave? The RF would disown him and probably tell the EDF he was a merc in disguise or something.
I'd say Eos' motivations included the fact that she was sympathetic to the suffering of the other miners. Perhaps she was horribly wronged by Ultor (in potential ways I won't go into, but I will say the guards are all surprisingly happy). Either way, there's possibly no good reason why. Games are not to get into psychology like that, especially FPS games. Players want the fun, without the in-depth stuff. Sure, a better background on the characters would have helped, however would it have made that much a difference? For the most part, it would have probably kicked RF onto 3 CDs, with all the cutscene movies that would have to be used to hold the backgrounds.
The Riot Guard: Little is known about this specialized guard. His training in dispersing riots holds that he has issues with control: that he must remain in control at all times. Without this, he'll fight as hard as possible to regain control. His close-quarters preferance to combat denotes a need to be "in the action". Incapable of sitting behind a desk, he feels best out amongst his people, controlling them and relishing in his power over the forced submission he commands. In a past, he may have encountered strict military COs, or perhaps had an overly-strict father. In the end, it doesn't matter, so long as he is the one in control, and that all bow-down in some way to him. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 4th Oct 2005 5:41am |
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| Quoting Vidi44 | | Quoting molodiets | when i played the single player for the first time, I was surprised by Parker's submissiveness, his docility. From the begining to the end, he's manipulated by various "voices" in his head, the voices of people he's never heard before and he does obey like a dog, killing whoever tries to stop him, never getting any real explaination on Eos' motivations. The more i played, the more i was sure Parker would, sooner or later, realize he wasn't siding with the righteous ones. He couldn't be so guillible.
But finaly not. The scenario of the game, the psychology of the characters were just extremely poor and the hero is fairly simple minded. |
So true molo. I never saw it that way. Of course, I don't think Parker had much of a choice, as his survival was dependant on the help others gave him. True, most likely he would have refused all the assignments given to him, however I'm sure he didn't have much of a choice. If he refused, how would he leave? The RF would disown him and probably tell the EDF he was a merc in disguise or something.
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Interresting isn't it.
The fact he doesn't have the choice is not really an excuse. How many honest guards (who are simply doing their job) would you remorselessly kill to save your miserable life. I assume if you had been raised as a gladiator, you would do anything and kill anybody without an hesitation to save your life, but Parker is a simple miner, a John Doe of mining (what is more common than Parker?)
Thinking of it, he looks like an example of schyzophrenic paranoid.
He's a simple miner. He happens to kill a guard. He doesn't stop or hesitate, he doesn't ask himself "what the hell have i done". He doesn't weight his chances to leave the complex alive. He just carries on killing everybody. From a minner, he became a soldier in a few seconds.
You also realize he's not only atempting to save his life. After he got out the complexe he doesn't flee to another planet, hide and make himself forgotten. He carries on completing missions.
Here we have a guy who hears several voices in his head. Those voices explain him that he , simple miner, is the last hope of the Red Faction , that he has become some kind of messiah, a chosen hero, that he has to complete several missions. And he never stops and wonder "what the hell, i'm getting insane" or even "why me?!"
Ask a psychanalist his conclusion and listen to the lecture.
IMO, Parker got a crisis of paranoia (I'm the messiah. Everybody wants me to die and there is no specific reason to that), of schyzophrenia (i'm not a simple miner. I'm an agent of the Red Faction and i see everybody is shooting at me). Anyway he's fairly fanatic.
It has been acknowledged the scenario of Red Faction was based on Total Recall. It's an over-simplified version of Total Recall.
In Total Recall, you never really know whether Swarzy is schyzophrenian or not and Verhoeven maintains the doubt. In Red Faction there is no mention of his schyzophrenia but it's kinda blattent.
Are there still so many people recognizing themselves in Parker? |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 4th Oct 2005 6:48am |
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Uhh yeah i,m totally convinced i,m Parker.I slaughter cows and goats for the holidays and dont feel a thing(I love seeing blood gushing out of their necks) Anyway we then cook them into delicous meals that are worthy for a king then we eat them  |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 5th Oct 2005 1:23am |
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Wow, have you ever been to a psychologist? Are you one? I ask the first question because it is relatively doubtful you are a psychologist, as many of them would find FPS games as damaging to your psyche.
Perhaps Parker is psychotic. If you'll remember, we had a storyline for pre-RF back in the "lets all make RF3 by ourselves" sort of thread series. In my description, Parker's parents taught him that killing is ok, primarily by hunting daily. Also, he was taught at a young age to be a manual laborer. If you think of this combination, why wouldn't he turn psychotic during RF? His mildly troubled youth (which I explained in my story, but haven't the time now) combined with the events on Mars collided. Also, if you see the guy next to you die, and a guard just tells you to keep working, wouldn't you hate the guy? Play the game from the beginning and listen to the first movie. It puts a little background into the mental state of the miners.
Also, there are many movies, books, etc where people are "chosen". Are they psychotic? Even most religions have prophets, so are they psychotic? Also, if you were told you were important to the salvation of others, wouldn't you have a big head rush? Parker must have, and while it happened, he didn't have time to stop and calm down. A lot of people get a rush after killing, perhaps he was feeding his high (he'd be psychotic then)?
There's really no defense for Parker being sane. Then again, would you be sane under those conditions? I think the miners were just lucky that Parker didn't kill them all.
For Pred: I killed an animal once. They never do gush blood out of their necks, unless you're going "up close" to slit their throats. Then, I wouldn't be surprised if you got trampled by them as they fought for life.
In some ways, I see myself as Parker. If it came down to it, I could kill. Of course, I'd probably stop after the first group of people. The only defense I can think of now is that he realized that to survive, he had to follow the orders of the RF. Perhaps it was his drive to save other miners or something? Eos mentions frequently how they need his help, simply because he's in a position to help.
Bah, I give up on the concept of saying Parker isn't psychotic. Then again, does it matter? As the hero of an FPS game, it's his job to kill all people. Do you question Sarge in Halo? Do you ask Bond why he wiped out half the Russian army (then again, if he kills that many, why does Russia even bother stopping him)? The basic thing is, the hero/heroine in a movie/book/game where guns are involved, is at least partly psychotic. Also, Parker just looks spiffy with a gun |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 5th Oct 2005 1:57am |
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| Quoting Vidi44 | | Do you ask Bond why he wiped out half the Russian army (then again, if he kills that many, why does Russia even bother stopping him)? The basic thing is, the hero/heroine in a movie/book/game where guns are involved, is at least partly psychotic. Also, Parker just looks spiffy with a gun |
No, both are fictions but Bond is and has always been a secret agent with a license to kill whereas Parker is just a miner and you can assume there are more competent, qualified professional revolutionaries to save the Red Faction than a man whose main occupation is to drill rocs ( like shwarzy in Total Recall).
I also recall Bond doesn't hear voices in his head and he never trusts people he doesn't know (actually he only trusts himself  )
Bond is a soldier. He's trained to kill. i think the hero of halo is also a soldier . A miner hearing voices in his head and convinced he's an agent in charge of saving the world (or almost) is just too many coincidences imo.
Thinking you have another life as a more important person and seeing or hearing things that other people can't hear/see is a know mental dicease (for informations on schyzophrenia i recommend you to watch a "beautifull mind" on john Nash's life.)
Thinking you're always right, all the others are wrong and they have ganged against you is also a known mental disease (paranoia).
There are FPS with a scenario and characters's psychologies (Deus EX).
There are without (or almost) (UT2004).
For RF i wonder.
i just find surprising that so many people could identify with such a poor personality (if not, as you said, totally psychotic). On the other hand, all the characters in RF have fairly limited psychologies. So... |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 5th Oct 2005 9:11am |
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About Eos, do you guys not read the manual? there is alot of Background information in the Manual on the majority of the Characters.
Eos' dad was Killed by the plague, but he had been in for a medical a week before, her mum then started blaming the medics and that they should have found something, then her mum went for the medical, she came back all ticked off, turns out she had given the Doctor and Nurses a right talking to. 2 Days later her mum collapses and dies... from the plague. Her Next checkup is next week, she isnt going... |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 5th Oct 2005 2:30pm |
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uhh yes we do slit their throats with large knives  (They are tied up)  The slaughtering will begin next year at the second month I no a game that is really phsycotic and the player plays the role of a maniac.And its FPS too Postal 2 the game were Osama is there,little kids have M-16,s and you can pee on burning corpses |
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| Ghostkid |
Posted 5th Oct 2005 6:36pm | |
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| Quoting Vidi44 | Which RF character are you? A basic idea of each character's personality is provided for reference (anyone can update the listing if they feel I'm incorrect).
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masako, she is slim so she moves faster and is harder to hit |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 6th Oct 2005 12:50am |
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I sort of don't have a manual. Is there somewhere where I can download one? Yes, this is the limit to perma-borrowing a friend's game (I gave it back, after burning it 5 times and letting other friends borrow it. I wonder if I'm somehow responsible for the surge in players whenever I started (about a year ago)? Roflmao).
Anyway, Master Chief (the hero's name in Halo) is a genetically and cybernetically-enhanced super-soldier. So, he's allowed to be psychotic, and the fact that he was designed to kill is another psycho-plus. Bond may be licensed to kill, but he does do an unecessary amount of it. Also, he does have a strange humor after he kills people.
Beat, did you at least like my riot guard thing? I know that's not in the manual. Besides, psychology is fun, and the manual doesn't help much as the Eos thing was pretty basic. All that could be inferred from that is that she'd have survivor's guilt and a deep depression. Sure, she may organize the RF, however most people in that mental state would become recluse and possibly suicidal.
I really should get my one friend in here, he'd have a field day psychologically analyzing every one of us who wrote on here, especially with Pred.
Pred, you should stop playing Postal 2, it is warping your mind.
Yes, Masako is nice, and very well would be agreeable (if you can think of what that means).
Anyway, I think people identify with Parker because he's the loner, cast aside from society to work in the mines (although he says he volunteered so he can clear his head). His rebellious self is identifyable with the teenagers on this site, as they often look for something to rebel against (as they often identify their own problems as those of someone else's). Also, who wouldn't agree with the idea of the invincible little guy? If RF was a book, it might be a bestseller, because people naturally like the little guy. |
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| Predalienator |
Posted 6th Oct 2005 3:51am |
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But in Postal 2 you can cut people,s head of,s clean from their heads with a shovel and the NPC,s poop and puke normally.I like the kids with the M-16,s they somehow murder teens with pistols Ok i,ll stop playing it.I do get dreams of when i ruled the world and i just went ballistick and almost destroyed the Earth  |
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