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Beatonator  |
  Posted 11th Sep 2008 8:23am |
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Thanks for the info guys im on my way to work so will check all this out properly when I get home. The IDE HDD I want to use is just storage. Hence It doesnt have windows on it. Keep any more info coming as its all really helpful thanks guys. |
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SkipRat  |
Posted 11th Sep 2008 12:01pm |  |
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| Quoting Beatonator | | Keep any more info coming as its all really helpful thanks guys. |
Your an Idiot. Find that helpfull mofo! |
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| Lanshire |
Posted 11th Sep 2008 6:39pm |
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Zero Fill! |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 11th Sep 2008 10:13pm |
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Doh! 
Im getting my HDD back tomorrow, which will have been wiped hopefully, see what the outcome is. Im still really tempted to upgrade even if my machine works fine. Have a server 
Sobe, I have never got into the overclocking thing. How would I go about doing it, and how do I know how far to push things? Surely there have got to be trade offs with OC?
Vista is tempting, but at the same time. If i can get away with my version of windows. Its a fair amount of money I would rather not part with. Plus dont have to worry about whats Vista compatible!
Nitro thanks for reminding me about the Nvidia RF bug! thats a good bonus as to why to stick with ATI! What advantages would I get from running Crossfire? I understand the benefit, but surely is it not better to spend same amount of money on a better card or does Crossfire have some extra advantages? Do i need crossfire with that card? would that card run UT3 alone at High specs?
what ports does Crossfire need? PCI-E x16?
So 700Mhz is more than enough power, thats good. What sort of Mhz can I get away with? There are some on there for 450Mhz? Although, Sobe mentioned Corsair PSU. Whats so good about those and are they much more expensive?
Also, what different does the Mobo chipset make that you listed over the current one I selected? |
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| SkipRat |
Posted 11th Sep 2008 10:49pm | |
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Matt, swap the insides of your computer with the insides of your step dads computer.
Thats what I would do. |
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| sobe |
Posted 11th Sep 2008 10:55pm |
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First off, overclocking I personally love. Then again, if I fry something by taking it too far, I can easily just purchase a new part with extra cash I have around. Overclocking can take away the processor's lifespan. However, with decent cooling you can nearly etch away that little niche. Hell, Intel stock cooling has gotten decent... With an E8400 you can hit 4GHz on the stock HSF @ about 44c... That's pretty damned good. Then again, if you want to do some serious overclocking on air, I suggest you get a good hsf for about $40-$70. I do highly recommend the Zalman CNPS9700 for $60 on NewEgg.
Secondly, it's watts, not MHz And Corsair, what makes them good is they use 2 manufacturers(Seasonic and ChannelWell) that make the insides of their PSUs. Seasonic OEMs tend to be about the best you can get too, which is good  For example, the Corsair 650 TX is a Seasonic OEM.
As far as motherboard chipsets, I actually prefer Intel chipsets. Much more reliable and stable, especially when it comes to overclocking. The nVidia chipset is about as stable as Charles Manson on crack. However, if you do get it stable, you could reach some nice overclock speeds. However the same can be attained with less issues on for example an Intel P35/P45/X48(Less stable than a P35/P45). |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 12:08am | |
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I find that the best way to find your overclocking limits is to increase performance little by little until problems start to occur. For example, I was able to push my 525Mhz GPU to 600Mhz before artifacts started to appear. Once they did, I decreased the clock speed down to what I knew as the last problem-free speed. |
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| sobe |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 12:29am |
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You will want to only push up in small increments of 5MHz. This will give best results if an error appears. |
| "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 2:39pm |
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| Quoting SkipRat | Matt, swap the insides of your computer with the insides of your step dads computer.
Thats what I would do. |
Yeah, LOL! Only thing that has stopped me cracking his PC open is the fact that its got a Warranty seal on it (pre-built).
| Quoting Nitro | | My recommendation if budget would permit is to see if you can step up the motherboard/processor to the newer Wolfdale or Yorkfield chip. |
When I asked about chipsets, I meant specifically these ones. I dont even have the first clue about what the chipsets are/mean etc... so was curious why these 2 were named. Im assuming from Sobe's comments, that those are nVidia?
So your saying I can OC a little bit without even really having to worry if I went with an Intel CPU? If I wasnt OCing at all, would that PC be any good? I havent recieved any comments about the Graphics Card so im assuming that its a good card and can run the programs I want.
| Quoting Sobe | | Secondly, it's watts, not MHz |
My bad.  |
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| Assaultman67 |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 4:25pm | |
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| Quoting Beatonator | | ... [url=http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128047]MSI P35 Neo-F Socket 775 FSB1333... |
Anybody else have problems with MSI boards? or is it just me ... 
Ive seen 1 or 2 MSI boards fail in my lifetime  ... |
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| sobe |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 4:35pm |
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They can be good boards.... I personally don't care much for them, but have seen a few decent ones. As for mobo suggestions I'd say ASUS, Gigabyte, Abit, or DFI.
Wolfdale and Yorkfield, btw, are processor core codenames. |
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| Nitro |
Posted 12th Sep 2008 5:14pm |
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First of all, lets stop with the overclocking talk for a while. Let the poor guy build his first computer and then maybe talk about tweaking it down the road. 
For those wondering, overclocking is a way to speed up your computer basically for free. Electronic manufacturers will build in a little bit of a safety factor when they advertise their speeds. Some processors will overclock a lot better then others, it just takes a little research to find out which. For instance, you can buy a 2.8Ghz processor and it should have no problem running at 3Ghz.. A savings of $100 or so. Heat is the enemy, so overclockers use bigger fans, heatsinks, and sometimes liquid cooling. I have all the cool overclocking stuff but I'm too lazy and/or my computer won't seem to run stable at stock speeds yet to worry about overclocking.
The Q6600 processor you spec'd in the beginning is a couple years old technology now. They are pretty cheap, very stable, and very overclockable. The Penryn processors (Intels newer Yorkfield and Wolfdale 45nm chips) are for now the latest and greatest and still really cheap. They offer more on chip cache and more processing for your Ghz.. You just have to make sure the motherboard chipset will support the Penryn cpu's. You'll just have to read up on that a little bit.
You don't need crossfire or SLI for anything. There is some performance gains, but for the most part they just make your computer look cool and waste a lot of money.
You get what you pay for in a power supply (PSU). There are a few good name companys out there. Expect to pay a bit for a good PSU. Comparing a cheap one to an expensive one...even though they may be rated at 700watts, the cheap one will catch fire at 700watts, and the expensive one would be rated to provide a constant 700 watts no prob. Corsair, OCZ, PC Power and Cooling, Antec, and Thermaltake are all fairly respected manufacturers.
Here are some usefull educational links:
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/specifications.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/express_flyer.htm |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 13th Sep 2008 10:17pm |
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Ok cheers nitro thats an awesome amount of help.
I have my HDD back and managed to format it now its been sorted and whack XP back on it. It seems to be running fine, so Im going to put some more effort into this upgrade as time is now on my side again. Woop! 
Ok, so first thing is to look for a better processor. Preferably one of those Penryn Processors, and a better mobo that supports that chipset. |
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