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Lace  |
  Posted 6th Sep 2008 5:02am |
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@ Frank: So far, Nitro has a way to go to catch up on the 3DMark points 
@ sobe: Read the test here
The cards run cooler than 9800GTX/260 GTX. And the PSU? Why not? The PSU got top grades in tests, so why not go for one of the best? Why drive a Ford when I can drive a Benz?
@ REDFROG: 3DMarks without CrossfireX= 13176, so 3443 points more. |
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| Nitro |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 7:11am |
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No fair, I don't even have it hooked to the net to get drivers yet or anything
MIne's as fallows:
EVGA 750IFTW
2x EVGA GTX280's in SLI
4G OCZ ReaperX ram with cool heatsink dealios
Intel Core2 Quad Q9550
PC Power & Cooling 750 watt
2x RaptorX hard drives in Raid 0
Coolermaster Cosmos case
I don't really care if anyone else has a faster comp, mine looks way cooler then anyone else's |
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| Lace |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 7:53am |
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I was actually thinking of going the same way as Nitro with EVGA setup, but since I had a NVIDIA card last time, I wanted to try somehting else 
Cool heatsinks? I have three fans blowing cool air on my RAM 
But I agree: No one has a cooler looking comp than you 
Now get it hooked up on permanent basis to the net so we can get some real competition going |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 10:34am |  |
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| Quoting Lace |
@ REDFROG: 3DMarks without CrossfireX= 13176, so 3443 points more. |
that's what? 20% increased performance, while losing 80% of the money/power? (plus increased heat)
You don't even need such performance, so let's face it, you got it either for the reason to post scores of 3DMark, or you simply didn't know.
is that the one?  |
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| Lace |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 11:30am |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | I highly doubt in 3DMark06 SLI/crossfire has any impact on the score at all. ( +- 40points maybe) |
| Quoting REDFROG | that's what? 20% increased performance, while losing 80% of the money/power? (plus increased heat)
You don't even need such performance, so let's face it, you got it either for the reason to post scores of 3DMark, or you simply didn't know. |
Your comment show the usual arrrogance on your part, as in most of the posts you make here. You made a statement I might get +/- 40 points by using CrossfireX., and when I show you are wrong, you make a dumb comment to take away the fact that your assumption was wrong.
You have no idea what I need/use my computer for, but if I wanted it to only score in 3DMark, don't you think I would have gotten a better one? |
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SkipRat  |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 11:42am | |
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Heh, I'm sure this ls all really helpfull for beatonator |
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| Lace |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 11:46am |
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Maybe, if he wants SLI/CrossfireX
Beat and I had almost identical comps once, and built them on the same time. If I remember right, it was P4 2.8 cpu and ATI 9600 pro graphics. There has been quite some development since then, which was probably about 4-5 years ago or so |
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Modified Sep 6th, 11:47am by Lace |
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| SkipRat |
Posted 6th Sep 2008 11:57am | |
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Heh, thats what hes trying to use now
I'm actually back into pc gaming now. Its amazing how far things have gone in the last 4-5 years as you say. I've now got a laptop that will run UT3 on full settings... crazy crazy stuff. Its only because I've ignored all the hardware advances the last few years but still. awesome... |
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Beatonator  |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 12:52pm |
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Heh. cheers Skiprat. and yeah that is the machine im still running. Or not running as the case may be!
Narrowed problem down to PSU or HDD, but I have found out that as its a P4 processor, it requires an extra power plug which I dont have on my replacement PSU. Looks like I may be upgrading then. Can I get advice on:
A computer that is future proofed for the next few years, needs to be able the following preferably:
Red Faction
Starcraft
WoW (not a problem I foresee)
UT3 (would be nice!)
RF: G
Diablo 3
Starcraft 2
3Ds Max 5
I understand most of these will be OS related, apart from the last few games. I have had a great time with ATI so would be happy to consider staying with ATI. What would you guys actually recommend?
Dual Core, or is Quad Core future proofing my machine? what Ghz? AMD or Intel?
ATI/Nvidia? What models are good? I have dropped out of the hardware market since I got my PC 5 years ago So have no idea on standards etc. I would like to be able to run UT3 on high but the main thing for me is Starcraft 2 and RF:G. I know nothing has been released spec wise for either but any advice would be extremely helpful. im a n00b again! LOL!
I have an ATA hadrdrive with all my files and pictures stored on them, can I still use this as a secondary hard drive while having anew primary HDD on a SATA channel? How would I go about doing this? Alternatively is it worth buying an external Bay for my ATA HDD? Make it portable etc...
Ram wise, do I need over 2gb? I may as well go overkill on the ram considering its so cheap at the minute. 4/8gb? is Kingston still good? Should I upgrade to vista or stick with my copy of Windows XP. Will my Windows XP work on a new build, if its "supposedly a recovery disk"? |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 3:40pm | |
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IMO the quad core is a bit overkill and won't provide any more performance than a dual core in nearly every game. Also, rather than getting one large HDD, I suggest getting two or more smaller ones as you can RAID them together to get more speed. XP doesn't natively support RAID's (you'd need to reformat and install drivers before the OS), but Vista does. |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 4:25pm | |
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The most information I can give you.... Build your own computer... Custom Built computers are a no-no. I had a custom built computer and it was crap and slowed down after some short time and I was constantly reformatting.
I decided to upgrade and build a whole new PC, the currently one im using now. You will find that buying all the parts and building it your self is 60% cheaper than buying on from a shop like PC-World, or Curry's, where ever you bought your from.
Then all your left with is no Operating System which costs you a bit of money for one. Try and get a friend who can lend you a copy of their Windows product until you can buy your own License key.
Also, a little bit of information about custom built computers....
On the hard drive, there is a hidden partition that you cannot touch at all because its a recovery partition. Most people think the CD recovers the computer, but its not. They steal at least 5GBs to add all the settings, all the drivers and everything in one go, restoring the machine to its working factory settings.
The Recovery CD is simply a set-up for starting the recovery services. All it does is tells the computer to transfer the files from the hidden partition to the partition you see (C: by default)
As for your computer that you wish to buy, Ive checked out the specs.
Now you have choosen a nice looking case. I have this case - Antec Nine Hundred -. This can keep your computer pretty cool. Right now, my CPU Tempature is:
Mind, I do not have a stock CPU Fan, I have the OCZ Vanquisher
As thermal paste between ur CPU and heatsink, use Artic Silver 5.
The Corsair 4GB Kit..... NO!!!!!! Do not get 2 GB sticks of memory... stick with 1GB sticks of memory, but buy 4. The motherboard supports 4 Ram Slots. 2GB stick memory will cause you all kinds of trouble.
Graphics card - Fine
PSU - Fine
Hard Drive - Buy another one so you can set up RAID, windows will be fast as hell like assman said. XP Does not support RAID very well, install RAID drivers before you install the OS.
If you want to save that issue, install Windows Vista, but I would not recommend Vista yet. (Even tho I have it my self, i still wouldnt recommend it)
Your CPU, do not go for quad core, this will not give you a performance boost. Your wasting your money away with Quad cores... Go with Core2Duo Extreme until the quads become better.
P.S, SATA and IDE hard drives can work together, just not as fast.... Most CD Drives are still using IDE so most motherboards keep IDE on them for that purpose.
SATA-II Data Transfer Speed - 3Gb/s
IDE Data Transfer Speed - 1.5Gb/s |
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| Nitro |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 6:36pm |
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I've never heard of any problems with 2G sticks of ram  I would certainly recommend going with 4G DDR2 ram, no more, no less. Using 4x1G sticks instead of 2x2G sticks makes no sense. Consider ram as storage, a garage more or less. Would you rather store all your junk in 4 small garages or 2 big ones? I huge garage would be best, but not really budget friendly at this time 
My recommendation if budget would permit is to see if you can step up the motherboard/processor to the newer Wolfdale or Yorkfield chip. At this point, I wouldn't be too concerned with 2 or 4 cores. I built my new comp with a 2 core Q8400 and then upgraded it to a Q9550 when they became available. CPU's are dirt cheap anyway. In fact they are way cheaper then dirt now, have you seen the prices on a truck of topsoil, GEEEEZ  I would recommend the Q8500 chip for price/performance. I'm not exactly sure if that P35 motherboard you chose will run these latest Penryn processors I know for sure the X48 will though
Raid is great if your an uber geek like me, otherwise, don't waste your money.
IDE does NOT transfer at 1.5GB/S. The highest theoretical transfer rate would be 133Mb/Sec, but nobody has ever seen that. 80Mb/s is more realistic. On that note, you should be able to run your old IDE drive along with a new SATA drive, just be prepared for some problems, especially if XP is still installed on your old drive. I would wipe it clean, new partitions and format. And I would install it after you get your new SATA drive all up and running with Windows.
XP vs Vista, I guess I went to VIsta and am having some of the typical Vista problems, stick with XP.
Older comps like yours wouldn't have come with a recovery partition. The cd's do all the recovery, but they are useless for a new build. You'll have to get a new OS either way. It is common in the last few years for manufacturers to include a recovery partition instead of a DVD. You can usually buy the recovery DVD and delete that partition if you desire.
A good 700W PSU will be plenty for this build, even if you want to run Crossfire/SLI
I'd say stick to ATI. Prices are good and you won't need to use any 3rd World Purefaction programs just to play RF. |
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Modified Sep 10th, 06:37pm by Nitro |
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| sobe |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 9:00pm |
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2 2GB sticks are better for overclocking. You can obtain a better overclock with less stress being put on the DIMM slots.
(If you need more info you can head on over to OCForums.com, etc.)
As far as the power supply though Beat... Go with an Corsair or something. At least that way you'd be getting either a Seasonic OEM or ChannelWell depending on which Corsair model you choose.
And it depends for quad vs dual core. I have a Core2Duo myself and no issues, although with being able to see how much I actually do multitask, I wouldn't mind grabbing a quad sometime soon. It's all down to preference. In all honesty, I wouldn't worry about the "Extremes". The regulars or ES overclock fine enough without having to worry about an "Extreme" unless you plan on entering some sort of large overclocking event to see how far you can push it before it fries... THEN grab an Extreme.
And as for the Vista mentioning. Personally, upon installing Windows Vista 64-bit Business Retail, it was somewhat... buggy, and I could sure as hell tell from just basic functions and even windows animations. I let it do all its updates, including ServicePack1. And since installing ServicePack1, I won't be switching from Vista anytime soon. Everything since SP1 has been running extremely smooth. The ONLY thing I have had any issues with, is with my aging Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer mic settings, Vista makes it sound, as I could best describe, like I am underwater talking. Either a restart will fix it, or most of the time exiting ventrilo and closing any programs using sound, such as WMP, etc. tend to fix it as well. |
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Modified Sep 10th, 09:18pm by sobe |
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| Nitro |
Posted 10th Sep 2008 10:00pm |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | Quoting Lace |
@ REDFROG: 3DMarks without CrossfireX= 13176, so 3443 points more. |
that's what? 20% increased performance, while losing 80% of the money/power? (plus increased heat)
You don't even need such performance, so let's face it, you got it either for the reason to post scores of 3DMark, or you simply didn't know.
is that the one? |
Why were you picking on her anyway? One of my cards cost more then both her cards together. Her setup scores higher then mine besides. The best 3dmarks I can get with SLI is about 14500 and with a single card I get 14000. Pretty much useless wastes of money but they look really cool. On the other hand, I don't even have a windowed case anymore
Wow, that's a small picture |
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