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Assman15  |
  Posted 8th Oct 2007 6:00am |  |
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Personally, if you're "flat broke" like you say, I wouldn't be going for the Core 2 Duo line CPU. I have an AMD Athlon 64 3800+ and it keeps pace with modern games just fine. A cheaper CPU means you can afford a more expensive video card. The x850Pro is far outdated, I suggest, at the very least, upgrading to the x1000 line. My x1950XT 256Mb was less than $150 when I got it. |
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| Zman1764 |
Posted 8th Oct 2007 6:05am |
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well i considered that option as well...
it would be pointless for me to spend 150 bucks on an X1000 series card when I can just save that 150, wait 2 weeks for my next paycheck for about 300 bucks, and then buy a 2900 PRO if I feel like it...
I definitly thought this over. Trust me. I've been researching every component for like 2 weeks now. |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 8th Oct 2007 6:36am | |
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I don't think DX10 cards are worth buying at the moment, there's just not enough that DX10 offers over DX9. Do you even have (or plan on buying) Windows Vista? If not, then there is absolutely no point in buying a DX10 card over a DX9 one, it's just a waste of money. |
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| Zman1764 |
Posted 8th Oct 2007 4:00pm |
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isnt that what future proofing is anyway?
I do have a copy of Vista. Is 2 GB of RAM enough for Vista? |
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| goober |
Posted 8th Oct 2007 4:02pm | |
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it's enough for minimum-recommended on MOST Vista games for the next year probably... |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 8th Oct 2007 4:14pm | |
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You should never ever make the error and buy a dx10 compatible card running with vista which is one of the first/cheaper ones.
Dx10 effects require a lot of performance, meaning a card that supports dx10 doesn't say that it can it handle dx10 well enough.
For example you play the same game (which supports dx9 and 10) with a dx9 card which has the same performance as the dx10 card you'll get MUCH better framerates.
The same happens on cards that doesn't support shader 2.0 (and motion blur, bloom, hdr, reflections) and some games use it automatically, it can happen that older (hi-end) cards have advantages there 
Dx10 is polishing graphics on the high level which sucks up more performance than anything, like AntiAliasing does. |
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| Zman1764 |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 5:52am |
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so what should I buy then?
I need a shader model 3 card so I can play lost planet.
I want a DX 10 card so I can play Crysis in DX10 |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 8:56am | |
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| Quoting Zman1764 | | I want a DX 10 card so I can play Crysis in DX10 |
You're not missing much. The only way you'll have improved graphics at a decent frame rate is if you buy a +$500 video card. In my opinion that's just reckless spending when you can get an equally good DX9 card for less than $200. I highly recommend the ATi Radeon x1950XT I mentioned earlier. Other than the x1950XTX its currently the best DX9 card ATi has to offer. Coupled with an inexpensive, yet powerful AMD CPU you could probably afford an extra 2GB of RAM.
How much computer building experience do you have, anyways? |
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Garner  |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 12:20pm | |
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To be honest you'd be a fool not to get a DX10 card.
If one of my friends went out and bought a GF7 card, I'd call him a lot of rude words and inform him that he's just wasted his money.
Sure it'll work just fine and play all the games you'd want (DX9 only however) for the next 2 years at least... but get a GF8 card and you'll probably have the next 2-3 years easily and not have to worry about DX9/10 compatibility at all. Its common sense... especially when the prices are almost identical.
As a bonus you get DX10 support and be future proof.
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2Gb is plenty for a good few years. You'll probably find yourself upgrading your PC again before this gets to be a problem.
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I've always been an AMD fan. Last 3 computers streching back 7 years have been AMD chips. But the Core 2 Duo's are pretty cheap and their performance just blows everything else away...
My old PC had a GF6800 in it but an old AMD Althon 3000+. It would struggle in games not because the GFX card had issues but because the CPU couldn't keep up with the demands of the game. You'll be OK now with a cheap CPU but in a year or so's time (especially if you're wanting a game like Crysis!) you'll find it won't matter what graphics card you have... if you've got an underpowered CPU your performance will be rubbish.
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My rule of thumb in computer building...
Never skimp on CPU, RAM or GFX. If there's something thats faster for say $30-$40 more than what you're looking at... I'd consider it as you'll probably get another 6-12 months useful life out of it than the cheaper/slower variety. Costs a little more upfront but in the long run... much cheaper than a whole new part. |
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sobe  |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 5:51pm |
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As well as the fact that not even any current AMD processor gives you the full potential of even some DX9 cards such as the GeForce 7900GTs. And in order to get the fullness out of the GeForce 8xxx series you will have to grab an Core2Duo and overclock it to at least 3GHz. And there would still be more to get from the GF8xxx card.
Now, to grab an ATi/AMD 2900Pro however, it slightly stupid. Main reason is it's poor performance in DX10 games. If you haven't seen some of the latest reviews on these cards in games like Crysis, etc. I'd definitely recommend you start looking at the GeForce 8800GTS 320Mb/640Mb or 8800GTX 768Mb cards. If you are going 8800GTS, I recommend grabbing the 640Mb, namely so if you ever feel the need you can play your games like Crysis with all the eye candy at higher resses such as 1600x1200 or higher.
If you look at the paper specs, the 2900Pro/XT should blow the the 8000series out of the water. But when in a real scenario of testing, they didn't even do as well as the 8800GTS. |
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| Garner |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 6:03pm | |
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And the GeForce 9's are what... 4-6 weeks away now? 
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| Animator |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 7:23pm |
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U will regred it if u buy by limit , save money to buy .. I kno takes more time but hey
than u have the best at the end. 
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 8:04pm | |
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| Quoting Garner | To be honest you'd be a fool not to get a DX10 card.
If one of my friends went out and bought a GF7 card, I'd call him a lot of rude words and inform him that he's just wasted his money.
Sure it'll work just fine and play all the games you'd want (DX9 only however) for the next 2 years at least... but get a GF8 card and you'll probably have the next 2-3 years easily and not have to worry about DX9/10 compatibility at all. |
Please, who uses a gfx card over 2 years? 
An x850 is like nothing, it's about the standard we have right now. And DON'T expect to see all the fancy dx10 effects which are most likely soft shadows and better lighting.
You quickly notice that even normal complex shadows need A LOT OF performance (one of the biggest performance improvements in games when disabled)
Now thinking about having soft shadows working where your card can't even render the normal ones is wrong. (soft shadows and the lighting both are an exremly hard impact on the graphics card)
Playing the newer (in 2-3 years) games will be impossible anyway, he does not have the proper CPU for that. And btw the games will change in 2-3 years, you'll need at least one of the latest cards from today, in SLI mode to have max graphics (and thats what he wants, if he is also wanting the fancy dx10 effects now!)
Guys, get over it, he is not buying an high end machine.
Save money and maybe you can buy a much better one!!
Dx10 yes, but not for one of the crappy cheap slow Dx10 cards, this is not only a warning of me. This always appears when there is a new technology, and the sellers try to make their product look good and a cheap buy, for the reason that it already can handle the future technology, but how is the question.
 my newcard can do 16x AA!! At 2fps. Orly |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 9th Oct 2007 11:52pm | |
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i say forget all that stuff an buy an intel dual quad core proccesor |
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