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| Red Faction : [RED] Editing : Dodgy Objects in Red & Skyhigh Jumping |
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  Posted 16th Jan 2005 10:10pm |
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I have found out that certain OBJECTS can cause Red to load up the level and then crash out to windows with no errors but just refuse to run it..
I put in a fuel pump, and another kind of pump and my level wouldn't even work anymore, so I removed them, and now the level runs. I think one of the Coffee Table objects and I know that one of the keycard objects crashes Red as well and now I know one of the pumps also crashes the game.
One really weird thing in my level is happening when I put a glass panel on my building halfway up (I hadn't put the posts around it yet, that when I walk towards the edge of the glass while the enemy below is shooting at me and I'm touching the edge of the glass, then suddenly my player then shoots up like a rocket and find my player over a thousand feet up in the sky and falling back down into the level.
REALLY FREAKY, after a few times of doing this, then the game Crashes and spins crazily around and around and around.... Strange bug... Because I had no push regions or movers, or any jump pads.
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| mad_ferrit |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 10:23pm |
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Weird man, you don't half find some problems with this editor 
Also check the draw distance on some objects. Some things don't render til u get near and can look crap from a distance. |
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Posted 16th Jan 2005 10:56pm |
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Yep weird alright.. Must be my version of Red. I'm using ver 1.0.... Is that the latest version (or is it the last corrupt version) lollolol, ok I'm being mean, but this editor is a real pain.
As soon as you click on Clutter, and click on KEYCARD object to insert it into Red. BOOM
Everything freezes and up pops this window:
"RED MFC Application has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." and gives a hex address dump where the crash occured." Well at least that's better than just crashing out to desktop with no error messages at all.
When I insert this object into Red: found under furnitureCoffeesmokedtbl_corpse the objects corpse shows..... But when I click on Cofeetable1, nothing, ditto, NO OBJECT SHOWS up in Red at all, no red object sphere or anything, nothing....
Now when I test the level, then I get this:
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"ERROR !! Failed to load a V3D specified in the level resource!! (coffeesmokedtbl.v3d)
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crojectsRF_PCgamesrclevellevel_load.cpp - line 4094
A critical error has occured and the program cannot continue....."
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this path crojects blablala DOES NOT EVEN EXIST on my hd !!
LOL
This is a case of shoddy programming....
anyone else come up with these kind of errors when playing around with objects in Red? This is why maps crash with errors.... |
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| mad_ferrit |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 11:03pm |
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I have found a few objects that don't appear but none that have crashed my map.
As for that push effect that's just crazy. You sure you're not colliding with a keyframe or anything?
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Posted 16th Jan 2005 11:11pm |
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No, there is no keyframe or push reigon. I did not expect my man to shoot up a thousand feet into the air when being shot from below so I don't know what caused it, but it looks fun until the game finally crashes, lol. |
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| mad_ferrit |
Posted 16th Jan 2005 11:14pm |
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How big is the map? filesize? I'd like you to send it me so I can take a look!
I am going to bed shortly but I'll get it off ya tomorrow...
or send it to twglee@gmail.com  |
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Posted 17th Jan 2005 12:21am |
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RED is still by far the easiest editor out there though... |
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Posted 17th Jan 2005 7:38pm |
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The filesize is just over 4 megs (I THINK)...
When I get back from tennis I will send the file to you. The level is still unfinished in places.
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Posted 17th Jan 2005 7:42pm |  |
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The reason that coffee table crashes RF is because if you notice when you add it, nothing appears. There is no mesh for the file, it doesn't exist. |
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Posted 17th Jan 2005 8:02pm |
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Upgrade to V. 1.2, it updates it at least a little bit (there some shoddy programing options in 1.0, like for lights, that can give you really weird results. Also I think the keycard is fixed...)... 1.3 won't do anything to the editor, but 1.2 will do at least a little. |
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| dankone |
Posted 17th Jan 2005 8:33pm |
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i have noticed that enforce has quite a few problems with RF that no-one else has.  some of them we all have, but for some reason RF just dont like his pc. my suggeston to him would be do some upgrading to his pc. i know ive suggested it to him before, but maybe a full wipe, and clean install. 
| Quote | | Upgrade to V. 1.2, it updates it at least a little bit |
i hope hes already thought of that i dont know anyone who still runs anything earlier. |
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Posted 18th Jan 2005 1:29am |
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I see no download link to the upgrade of the red editor on Violition Watch to upgrade Red from 1.0 to 1.2. All I see is links only to download desktop wallpaper, multiplayer DEMOS of Red Faction and just a whole lot of explanation about Red, no upgrade.
I'm in New Zealand and the game came out with Ver 1.0 here only on CD, so I guess it is only released on CD in the stores and not available as a patch or downloadable file, if it is I don't know where to find it.
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Posted 18th Jan 2005 1:38am |
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try starting rf and click on update in the opening screen. I here this doesnt work anymore but i have done a couple times in the last month or 2 and the update still works. If not then do a search on this site. |
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| Kiliad |
Posted 18th Jan 2005 2:22am |
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There is no upgrade specifically for the RED editor. When you upgrade Red Faction an small editor upgrade is included. Standalone upgrade files are hosted here at L4Y.
http://www.levels4you.com/review.l4y?file=1624
There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding various official patches and those which aren't so official. For example, Lazyban 1.2 isn't the same as the 1.2 patch I've post above.
Ooh and I'm working on a bit of a help file for the editor and a list of any objects that cause the errors mentioned earlier would be helpful. Maybe someone could help me out and test all objects including those that come in the extra groups files. I think some of those are buggy too.
I don't want a million IMS's so figure out between you who's going to do it (if anyone). |
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Modified Jan 18th, 02:33am by Kiliad |
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Posted 18th Jan 2005 5:29am |
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Thanks for the link to the patch, what are the new changes made to red in this version ? 1.2 ?
At least that may solve some issues I've been having with Red (I Hope.)
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| Kiliad |
Posted 18th Jan 2005 5:43am |
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Get ready to be disappointed lol.
There aren't many changes at all and really the ones that were made aren't all that significant. Some options in the properties of lights and some other objects have changed. |
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