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| Nitro |
  Posted 16th Dec 2008 8:06pm |
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I don't really care much about wasteful, I don't really care about the FPS or anything. I only really care that it looks and sounds really cool. As far as the money goes, I'm trying to do my share to stimulate the economy. Besides that, I gotta get rid of my money before Obama takes it all.  |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 16th Dec 2008 11:09pm |  |
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Stimulate the economy? More like Stimulate the Electricty with your allmighty 1KW PSU  . |
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Posted 17th Dec 2008 4:44am | |
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| Quoting Nitro | | As far as the money goes, I'm trying to do my share to stimulate the economy. |
I take it that I should be expecting my Birthday presents soon. 
I just hope that you don't try and cheap out on me and give me only one present for both Christmas and my Birthday (which was today!  ). |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 17th Dec 2008 5:27pm | |
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Happy birthday! Heres your Birthday Present!
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Lace  |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 5:22am |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | SLI and Crossfire is unprofitable and wasteful. |
From Tom's Hardware:
The Radeon HD 4850 is the 4870’s little brother, with the same hardware but reduced clockspeeds. At $200, this card is an absolute steal, but its real strength shows when paired with another 4850; for $400, two Radeon HD 4850 cards in a Crossfire configuration will easy surpass the $650 Geforce GTX 280 flagship when it comes to performance. |
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| Nitro |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:19am |
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What crazy person would pay $650 for a GTX280 when you can get them for $300? |
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| Lace |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:26am |
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The price of the 4870 has dropped to around $200, which means that the 4850 will probably drop to around $150 or so  |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 4:43pm | |
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Ok what the hell.
Who would want a crappy 4850? Or even two of them?
And as I said, dual solutions are WASTEFUL.
Your "argument" or quote didn't decline this.
The GTX 280 can't be beaten that easily by two 4850. They are insane. A GTX280 has way more t-flops and works as one thing. The crossfiresolution doesn't work as a whole.
Even a GTX260 beats a stock 4870 at some parts. Doubling that 4850 performance will not work through Crossfire as wished.
I also think that pricing is a little wrong/outdated. Ok I don't know about Nitros either, it's more like 580$. And I doubt the market gives it away for 300 somewhere else. Because that market is global.
That aside, to hell with that card, just get one single 4870 or GTX260 single core card and you are set for absolutely everything. Or if you want get a GTX280.
But you are never going to be happy with a dual card solution.
Dual gpu core/card solutions are going to become more economical when the new hybrid mainboards are mainstream. |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 4:58pm | |
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Alright, To end all arguements lets put it this way.
At this moment in time in the Hardware department, we have 2 wounderful companies.
Nvidia
ATi
At this current time, ATi is in the lead of Nvidia in making profits and also the graphics card.
Reason for this is because ATi have started to create dual cards on a single card while Nvidia are spending time on their Ageia PhysX engine, which is what Nvidia have beaten ATi in.
ATi how ever has started on their own Phys Engine that they will be intergrating into their graphics soon (Not sure if this is already done). But you will find that you are getting better value for money for ATi cards now in the 3800 & 4800 series because they are selling their dual graphics card for the price of one card and 1/2. So technically its like buying a double card but for half price on the second one.
As for Nvidia, one single card with single GPU's for a decent card costs you the price of one card each. Therefore, you do not benefit from the 2 GPU for Price and 1/2.
As each time I see Red Frogs posts about graphic cards, He is fully defending Nvidia, not fully aware of their place in the market. what is even better is that ATi is taken over by AMD, which is a processor company.
Nvidia however, still make graphics cards.
There is nothing WASTEFUL about dual solutions. They are quite good, and im not saying that because I think they are better than Nvidia, Im saying that because ATi / AMD has more better price on their graphics cards than Nvidia. You SAVE Money.
So froggy, if you are rich as hell and can afford these Nvidia cards, by all means go ahead and buy them. For those who like to save money and get good quality out of their computer for less money, then select ATi. You choose... Nvidia, or ATi. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 5:16pm | |
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I'm not buying stupid nvidia cards for the moment.
But as the position on the market goes.. ATI is fine now, but will soon be in heavy trouble because of the mentioned PhysX engine.
I really hope they can stand against that pressure which games such as Mirrors Edge will be causing. There are many other PhysX games announced.
I wonder what RF:G will be like...
The system CUDA of ATI isn't compatible with that and yet requires it's own supported games. And it's also not as powerful.
I hope they gonna coorporate more again and try to avoid that nasty situation for a fair market. Sudden built up monopoles are one of the biggest reasons which other companies get in trouble.
AMD / ATI always been my favs.
I've switched from that crappy supported 8800 to a 4870. |
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| Nitro |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:03pm |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 | Alright, To end all arguements lets put it this way.
At this moment in time in the Hardware department, we have 2 wounderful companies.
Nvidia
ATi
At this current time, ATi is in the lead of Nvidia in making profits and also the graphics card.
Reason for this is because ATi have started to create dual cards on a single card while Nvidia are spending time on their Ageia PhysX engine, which is what Nvidia have beaten ATi in.
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AMD has been kept afloat by the German government and now Abu Dhabi has bailed them out with $8billion. How is that profitable
Froggy, you Europeans are used to highly inflated prices Do a search in the US, there are several out there for about $350, then subtract rebates, and consider that it comes with Far Cry 2 (a $50 added value since most people interested in such a card would also want that game) Afterall, the global market does depend on goofballs like me  |
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| Lace |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:14pm |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | And as I said, dual solutions are WASTEFUL. |
What make you think I care about what you call wastefull?
It is my money, I spend them on whatever I want, even crappy german wine sometimes |
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| Nitro |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:17pm |
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And as long as Lace keeps spending money on crappy stuff, I will do whatever I can to make my crappy stuff better |
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| Lace |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 7:20pm |
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We are the solution to the financial crisis |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 18th Dec 2008 10:48pm | |
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LOL! Good statement Lace |
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