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sobe    Posted 28th Feb 2006 2:50am
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For my next upgrade, I am trying to decide, these are the 2 cpus I have my eyes on:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor

AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 1GHz HT 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor

Only issue I am having, is that I have had no experience with dual cores <_<
And the X2 4200+ is only around $20 more... However, the 64 4000+ overclocks higher...! lol
Anyway, what do you guys think about dual cores? Because, that is my main issue, would it be better, or worse?! And I can of course see the convienence of setting programs to run on 1 core, while playing a game on the other.

The clock speeds for each are around this:
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ = 2.81GHz
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ = 2.64GHz

And those are safe ocs, and I am a definite overclocker! lol
But yea, the main point is, should I get the dual core w/ less oc, or the single core with more oc?! lol


Sorry, but I just have no hands on experience with dual cores <_<
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cyrus5   Posted 28th Feb 2006 12:56pm
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With the incoming generation of consoles featuring multiple processors and cores, alot of upcoming games will take advantage of the increased multi tasking, which could lead to better performance for you with the dual core.

For normal apps not much will appear different, but if windows is intellegent enough to off load background services to one core and leave the other for app space then windows would, i expect, appear more responsive over a single core chip.

If you were to sit doing video encoding which is probably not multi-taskable since you would be streaming data through the processor, then the single core with the higher clock might be better. but if you expect to surf the net whilst encoding then dual core would give you better responsiveness but at the expense of some all out horse power.

other than that, dual core sounds funky! Funky good!!!
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Garner    Posted 28th Feb 2006 1:33pm
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EVE Online is the first game I know of to support dual core CPU's to improve game performance... games are begining to take advantage of dual core stuff already
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SkipRat    Posted 28th Feb 2006 2:50pm
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Diddnt quake 3 support duel processors?
Meh...    
sobe    Posted 28th Feb 2006 7:11pm
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Ok... Let's say I do a lot of gaming(FEAR, BF2, CSS, etc.), photo editting/design(Adobe PhotoShop), encoding/decoding, watching movies(DVDs), listening to music whilst gaming/photo-editting, etc., and 3d apps like 3D Studio Max.

I guess you can say I do a lot of multi tasking <_<

What do you guys think would run smoother? Dual core, or the single core 4000+?!

Basically, I don't want to get it if it would not be an increase in performance over the 4000+ single core...


Also, just for extra info, when I get this cpu, I will also be purchasing a new mobo, vid card, RAM, and SATA HDD.

ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard(I'll get Deluxe if I choose dual core)

eVGA 256-P2-N517-AX Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Car

Maxtor MaxLine III 7V300F0 300GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1G 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory

I figure that either one would run fine with the setup, but with what I like to do.... Dual core COULD be an advantage, as well as usable in the future for games & apps that support it <_<
"Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006    Modified Feb 28th, 07:22pm by sobe
tagmaster   Posted 28th Feb 2006 8:18pm
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Well for your windows Multitasking, there will be almost none difference with a dual or sinle core, because Windows XP doesnt take any advantage of dual-core procesors (one of new Vista features), recently some programs have started adapting dual core benefits, for example DivX, Adobe, etc... but futher than that, theres almost no diference betwn dual and single core in windows multitasking.

For gaming its a different story, recent games have started adapting dual-core technologies to improve performace, for example the upcoming UT2007 will take huge advantages of dual-core processors and x64 platforms and some games are alredy releasing patchs to improve performance on dual core processors.

I think the smart move as a gamer is to buy a dual-core, but if you only use Windows XP (i think it not your case ) i would go for a singlehigh clocked processor.

But the conclusion is that i would really go for the single high clocked x64 Porcessor, since i think its a higher advantage than having a dual x86 processor.
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sobe    Posted 28th Feb 2006 9:51pm
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LMAO!

So, that single core will run just as smooth as that dual core? Is that what your telling me?! Now I am getting a bit confused by your different methods of contracting my situation! lol

I am a gamer, but I do a lot of work on WinXP as well....

Well, I guess I could save $20 and get the single core lol
Me likes the high clock speeds! lol
"Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006    



Garner    Posted 28th Feb 2006 10:04pm
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XP recognises dual cores as if you had dual CPU and uses the two appropriately I thought.

Get the dual core. You'd be stupid not to because thats the way everything is going. Notice that speed wise CPU's are not getting much faster... they're simply dualing or quadding cores up to get more processing power now.
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tagmaster   Posted 28th Feb 2006 11:25pm
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Bah my explanation its not good enough .

Just see wich one fits you:

AMD A64 4000+ Review
AMD A64 X2 3800+ Review (i know yours is 4200+, but its almost the same thing )
Who dares, win!
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 Modified Feb 28th, 11:26pm by tagmaster
sobe    Posted 1st Mar 2006 12:26am
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Well, I guess it's decided, Dual Core for me
"Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006    
cyrus5   Posted 1st Mar 2006 12:06pm
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Let us know what its like when you've put it all together and had a play.

Windows does recognise dual cores, even if it only acknowledges it in the same way as hyperthreading on p4's. It might pick it up as a dual processor, but im not sure since I think the two cores use the same bus and cache (L2 at least, might have their own L1).
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sobe    Posted 1st Mar 2006 11:19pm
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It's not for now, it should be within the next few months
I just wanted to go ahead and get planned what I wanted.

And I did some research on Win64 Pro, it seems to have issues with dual core cpus, as towards setting the Affinity especially. Also, it still has limited driver support <_< WinXP Pro is fine for me now! lol
"Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a dozen, because some bakers would view a dozen as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006    



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