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Kiliad   Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:05am
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I miss the Soupe Du Mois! Its still there but it looks fairly dead to me. Its needs to be more visible.
Anyway, heres a rant I feel I need inflict on you all.

Is print dead? Will it ever be?
For the older, crustier members of L4Y, you may remember when it was said that computers would be the end of the printed word. Well it seems to me that its just increased the amount of printed material I have to deal with. Will it ever be that the office is paperless? Or the home?

What do you prefer - To read a long article on the internet, or would you print it out first? Would you rather own a book than have the contents in electronic format?

For me a book has a certain quality beyond just being a solid hunk of matter. It has texture and it has a smell. Granted a tree had to be cut down and pulped to make it (hopefully some greenies were chained to it at the time lol), but that makes a book all the more valuable.
Lending a book to someone says something about the borrower. You don't usually lend to a total stranger and when you do it often involves a gun or a knife and its called robbery instead. But my point is, when you do let someone borrow a book, they are taking a part of you. I don't mean some old textbook. If it was a book of special meaning to you, then they really have taken part of what makes you you. Simply copying an electronic book is just not the same.

Well that's printed text, but what about art?
Is digital art of equal value to say an oil painting?
Would Michael Angelo have embraced Photoshop?

Art can be a great way to get to know the opposite sex, but how successful would you be if you tried this line....

"Well, my dear. Would you like to come up to my room and see me type "etchings" into google?"

You thoughts appreciated.
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redfac18   Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:38am
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Interesting point Kiliad, movies are also replacing books. Will paper ever be gone? It might then again we could have chips in our brains that downloads the data to the part of the brain simular to the cache of a computer. You can see my neuro-skills coming out here.
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Assaultman67    Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:41am
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wow, finally somebody brought up the soupe topic ... what happened to it? i was just thinking the other day i might start a forum asking about that.
   
NoClanFrank    Posted 11th Feb 2006 5:49pm
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I have to say Kiliad, to me paper is dead. I would much rather carry around a flash memory stick than books. I can read more when I am reading it on a computer screen than if I had a book in front of me. As proof I offer these forums.
As far as Art goes. It depends on what it is. Not just because you can have certain types of art hanging on your walls and be considered a pervert but because it...never mind I think that's it.
Some people might consider Red Faction screen shots as art. Now do you really want to have that hanging on your walls or even a museum?
Then there is the Art that you can create with your hands. Paintings that have a certain texture that you can touch that you can't create on a computer screen.
Art is Art and it's subjected. That is all I am saying.
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vibes   Posted 11th Feb 2006 6:19pm
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Quoting redfac18
It might then again we could have chips in our brains



But then if we had no paper what would we wrap our fish n' chips in
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 Foe   Posted 11th Feb 2006 6:45pm
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Quoting Kiliad
You thoughts appreciated.


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NoClanFrank    Posted 11th Feb 2006 7:29pm
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Quoting vibes
But then if we had no paper what would we wrap our fish n' chips in

Reusable plastics?
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HitPerson   Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:03pm
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While i can appreciate reading something off a monitor, I still appreciate sitting outside with a book and reading on the occasion. It can be argued that I should just buy a laptop for that, but it just wouldn't be the same. Also, as long as there are the literati elitist around, there will be books.

Another reason I don't see books going anywhere anytime soon is that public schools (American ones anyway) are to cheap to stock the classrooms with enough decent computers for each student to have one whereas the can issue a student a book that, if destroyed (which kids do), can be replaced at a small cost. Couple this with the fact that teachers love to give worksheets and students have to work on handwriting in earlier grades, I don't see paper going anywhere.

Makes me happy that that's behind me
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mrmitchell   Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:24pm
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I prefer paper to computer screens for three things:

sheet music
writing
long books

It's also better for bagging your groceries

For everything else paper is an annoyance.

That said many people have real "medical conditions" (not like cancer or something but it affects them) where they can't look at a monitor for more than a few minutes at a time, or can't read text off one. Their eyes can't handle the screen refreshing or something and it just all garbles up, so they have to use paper. (I am not a doctor. I'm probably wrong on at least one thing there.)

For some part this is true for everyone: The next time you would read a hundred pages of a book in one sitting, read it off a computer screen instead. Be prepared for a monster headache or tired as hell eyes...
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HitPerson   Posted 11th Feb 2006 8:37pm
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mrmitchell, I believe you just hit the nail on the head.
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Kiliad   Posted 11th Feb 2006 9:08pm
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Quoting NoClanFrank
I have to say Kiliad, to me paper is dead. I would much rather carry around a flash memory stick than books.

Sometimes a memory stick might be more convenient than a stack of paper, but you wouldn't say that if you were on the can and there was no roll in site. Your memory stick ain't much use then lol.
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Trump   Posted 11th Feb 2006 9:34pm
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I don't think I have read a book completely in years with just a few exceptions. I just don't have the time except when I am deployed with the Navy. This does not mean I don't like books, since I am totally addicted to books on CD. I spend at least 2-3 hours a day in traffic, so I can get through an average size book on CD in less than a week, depending on the book. I, however, hate e-books. I get terrible eye strain from trying to read on my PC.

I do not believe books will ever totally go away, but I am quite content to hear the authors word.

BTW, most public libraries carry books on CD and tape now, so check it out.
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Nighthawk05   Posted 11th Feb 2006 9:50pm
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The davinci Code made lots of people to read. And even for children getting started to read ther is harry cough potter. Once some1 reads a good book they want to read more..well apparntly
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ExoStatic   Posted 11th Feb 2006 10:33pm
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The reason most people get headaches when reading stuff off computers is that the background for the "book" is usually white.

Think about it this way, would you stare at a light for 4 hours?

I know I wouldn't, and white on a computer monitor is like a normal light. That's why you get eye ache...
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loser   Posted 11th Feb 2006 11:36pm
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I think the digital age has increased the amount of paper, if not, then ink. How many times do you now see a paper/advertising material with "www.ourgreatsite.com"?

The smell of a new book is great, aswell as the types of paper that books are now printed on. The smell and paper somehow parellel with the level of quality that the books contents contain within. You don't get that when downloading a book online - except for maybe the smell of dust the computer fans are spurting out.

Moreover a book holds a special place on your bookshelf, for all to see, it shows something about yourself when others see the bookshelf ... a stack of compact discs is a stack of compact discs. As for the borrowing factor, Kiliad, you are right again. Anyone can download an ebook and never have to give it back, but loaning or borrowing a book is something more special than that. Other than giving or taking a special something from someone, it is more tangible, and can conjour thoughts of 'who was the last person who read this book' and what did they get out of it. Not possible in the electronic format.

Lastly, I can't imagine moving my PC into my child's bedroom to read his book before going to sleep every evening.
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NoClanFrank    Posted 12th Feb 2006 12:07am
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Quoting Kiliad
Sometimes a memory stick might be more convenient than a stack of paper, but you wouldn't say that if you were on the can and there was no roll in site. Your memory stick ain't much use then lol.

Ah Kiliad once again I will have to prove my point in a dirty way. If you are in the can and all you have is a memory stick, make sure that it is one that is waterproof. This will allow you to rinse it off when you are done.

Edit:
I was going to mention that the memory stick can go where no toilet paper can but since the release of the movie Broke Back Mountain, I think it would be taken out of context. Also, I have and make sure I have plenty of Toilet paper at hand when I do my business.
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