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| Max Payne 2 : Max Payne 2 Modding : problem with EQ gunkatas v2.0 |
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| halflife2269 |
  Posted 9th Oct 2005 5:48pm |
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Ok, I found it! I know this sounds weird but what you need to do is download the first version of EQgunkatas and then overwrite the .mp2m with the second version. And there you go,  Well at least that's how I got mine to work. And yet, the mod is great and the animation are terrific but I only got to use the 1 berreta,the Dual Gunkatas (Crelics) and a katana. Which I even used commands in the game to get those awesome looking shotguns, and HKAG36 but I have no luck. I actually liked the first verion than the second, (ironic eh?  ) because in the first, mona's animations were awesome!  |
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| Rico |
Posted 9th Oct 2005 6:19pm |
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You know what's fun? People stealing your work and claiming it as their own.
Mr. Anderson player LAZER's mod yesterday and after playing it he thought the combat system was remarkably similar to the one found in HoM... in fact, he said that despite him having changed so that the moves are done using shootdodge instead of spacebar, it was 100% the same, even down to the crouch move.
He told me to take a look at it for myself and after testing it not 5 minutes ago I saw what Mr. Anderson meant. This peeked my curiosity because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't overreacting and that this was indeed, the HoM code just with new and actually a worse use for the combat system.
I unpacked the mod and looked at the source files and guess what I found:
Mr. Anderson was right.
This guy, LAZER, somehow got a hold of one of our betas and STOLE my hard work and then dared to CRITICIZE me after releasing something he based on my work, work that hasn't been released and wasn't suppossed to be released before HoM came out. I've said time and time again, I don't mind if people use HoM as a base for their mods after it comes out, I actually encourage it. However, HoM is not out yet, this person never asked for my permission, I never gave him access to our private OR our testing forums. He certainly didn't come up with it on his own. Why am I so sure of this? Every programmer has different code, the code can do the same thing but it ALWAYS looks different. What makes me EXTRA sure he stole it from me? He left MY comments inside the code, right down to the last one. ALL of these are comments in my code and they won't make sense to anyone else BUT me.
So let's get a few things straight here LAZER:
1) You do not come into OUR forums and post plagiarized work, claiming it as your own.
2) You do not come into our forums and post about a mod you made using OUR work, that you plagiarized, and then insult me. This mod might have been overlooked by me if not for your own stupidity, you called attention to it by attempting to insult me and as a result I looked into "your" code and saw that it was MINE.
3) I will contact JenGE to have you banned from these boards, and the passwords to the internal boards will all get a password change.
4) I will contact L4Y and any other download sites and tell them that your mod is a plagiarization of HoM, and a very bad one at that. I will have them and anyone else willing to host your file remove the file from their servers and refuse to put it back up.
5) I will let the Max Payne 2 community know about this, expect a post in the 3Drealms forums and all of the other popular boards about your doings. I don't expect any self-respecting team will have you on board after this.
6) Before you come into my house and attempt to insult my work, make sure your own work isn't worse than mine. In your animations it shows that you clearly have no grasp of how the human body moves and reacts to motion. Jumps don't just happen, a person has to push down with their feet to gain altitude. In other words, even your "strong" point is a weak point.
7) I'm also going to deal with YUKL here because I know he's the one who gave you access to our HoM builds, even though it was directly stated in the NDA posted by me in the testing forums that it was illegal to share the mod until release. I can't sue YUKL but I can certainly ruin his reputation, that's something I can do quite well. So for YUKL, he will get all the credit we gave him in HoM completely removed but we will still keep the few animations he made for us when he was on the team. I thought doing this would be a nice touch of poetic justice, I'm sure most people here would agree.
YUKL will also have his access to our forums removed for good and as I said, the passwords will be changed to make sure we don't have any immoral people looking into our work ever again.
I must say that I am very dissapointed with these people. One of them was granted my trust and he destroyed it, the other, stole from me and then complained that the work he stole wasn't good enough for his thieving standards.
We're making this mod for the community, we've put more than a year of work on it, taken time out of our lives, some of us have even put our life on hold for brief periods of time so we could get this done, and this is how we're repaid? I must say that after seeing this happen I was tempted to just say: "Ok, so they're not grateful for our hard work? Not content with getting it for free, people will also steal from us? Then they won't get it, ever, and the mod will just sit in our drives forever".
Thankfully that thought only ran through my head for a brief period of time and that wasn't the decision I came to.
So to everyone who has played this mod and reads these forums. The mod this guy put out was using MY combat system, he didn't come up with any of this, none of it is his work. The only thing he changed from HoM were the animations, which he replaced for worse counterparts that serve little purpose in battle. He didn't even change the name of the projectiles I created, he didn't get rid of the text files I created when I was experimenting with things for HoM.
This is my work and I expect to be credited for it and not only that but I also expect it to be removed from the internet altogether until HoM is released. Once that happens the mod can be released again listing me as the main author and this guy, LAZER, as only the creator of some of the animations.
You will comply with this because you have no other choice. I am not a petty man, it takes a lot for me to get angry but this... this made me pretty damn mad. Trying to ride on my work and then complaining because your mod isn't as popular as ours is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.
I will now go on and contact my sources at L4Y and all other download sites and supply them with this information, and proof of my claims. Then I will move on to do everything I outlined above.
Thanks for your interest in Hall of Mirrors LAZER, I hope you never download our mod because you certainly don't deserve to ever play it.
PS: After looking at the his mod unpacked some more (or should I say, my mod?) I noticed he didn't even bother with removing the new models we made for the team members. You know, the playable characters where you could play as different members of the HoM team? I'm in there, in his mod. There's a folder called Rico and it has MY PICTURE ON IT. How ***** blatant can this be? He also stole our gun models by the way. |
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| MistaAnderson |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 12:02am |
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| halflife2269 |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 12:38am |
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Wow..., that's just pathetic to steal someone's work like that. It's far surpassed pathetic, and not only at that but for the one who originally coded/created such must be fuc*ing pissed off.  Stolen work has happend to me, but not at this lvl. I'm sorry he stole from you mate, that's not right at all. Well I "sorta" got a preview of HoM. I would like to smile but this is just to disturbing for comfort. (The stealing that is)  |
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| Rico |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 1:47am |
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Well, here's the deal:
Since I have no certain way of finding out if LAZER knew for sure whether or not the stuff YUKL handed to him had chunks of of HoM code thrown in there from some of our earlier betas here's what I'd like to do. I think it would be fair for all parties involved:
The mod was removed from L4Y for now, but you can feel free to upload it once again once HoM is released(which I may say, is pretty soon). The only addition that needs to be made is a small credit to the HoM team. I don't care if you think our animations suck, all I care about is the fact that YUKL took some of our stuff and handed it to you without crediting us. I have chat logs of YUKL complaining about not being able to switch out from gunkata mode when dealing with dual weapons (ingrams and such). So, LAZER might not be entirely to blame here, and most of the burden would probably rest on YUKL for using our work before it was released and without credit.
I think that's pretty reasonable, seeing as I can't read minds and therefore can't know for certain. |
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| sj4ck |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 11:14am |
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i bought max payne 2 just for HOM plus when i d/l gunkata mod it was kinda weird how most of the stuff was the same i thought it was stolen but what i wanna know is HOW? HOW THE HELL DID HE STEAL IT? |
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| halflife2269 |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 8:40pm |
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Well it wasn't really stolen physically or through hax. It was given to him by YUKL (which had early beta's from HoM) and LAZER supposively used this data as his own. |
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| neonboy |
Posted 10th Oct 2005 9:51pm |
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Hey im new here can some one tell me ny good mods which have good skins and moves like in clode to the truth mod.And tell me the links.
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| halflife2269 |
Posted 11th Oct 2005 6:36pm |
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| Quoting neonboy | Hey im new here can some one tell me ny good mods which have good skins and moves like in clode to the truth mod.And tell me the links.
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Well, this was a pretty good mod with great animations, but try to find the first version. (unless they deleted that one too) Other than that... um battle tactics was pretty good. |
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| jammer8111 |
Posted 14th Oct 2005 3:28am |
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where did you get this mod? |
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